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    Hi, Walter<br>
    <br>
    I think we are talking about two different things. The jabber server
    in my understanding is an internet server. Ejabberd is software on
    the school <br>
    server that provides this service to the deployment LAN.<br>
    <br>
    Tony<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/19/2016 01:51 AM, Walter Bender
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Presumably the jabber server is set to point to the
        server on the school server in your use case. This change would
        not impact that.
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        <div>-walter</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Tony
          Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
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            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Currently, ejabberd
              is used on the school server (with gabble). Does this
              change mean that something must be done on the XO or
              schoolserver to enable collaboration (it is now
              automatic)? So far as I know, the XO uses salut for ad hoc
              links and gabble with ejabberd. Generally, if it isn't
              broken, don't fix it.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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                  <br>
                  Tony</font></span>
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                  <div>On 01/19/2016 01:27 AM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:<br>
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                      <div>I don't see this as a change disabling gabble
                        so much as a change where no default jabber
                        server is specified.  This forces salut (ad-hoc)
                        to be used until a jabber server is specified.<br>
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                      Given pretty much everyone who uses gabble outside
                      of testing uses their own local jabber server and
                      not Sugar Labs', there should be no user impact
                      {apart from apps currently being broken with
                      gabble staying broken until fixed}.<br>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at
                          6:17 PM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> This
                              is probably a correct analysis for those
                              in the US with online broadband
                              connection. However, at deployments which
                              depend on the school server (those without
                              internet access), gabble is needed to
                              enable all XOs to collaborate. One of the
                              first tests at a deployment is to ensure
                              that XOs connected to the schoolserver are
                              visible to each other (i.e. that gabble is
                              working and not salut).<br>
                              <br>
                              Such a change needs a more thorough study.
                              Should we limit collaboration to XOs with
                              a common router (partition the LAN)? Does
                              collaboration with salut work for XOs
                              connected to the school server? Is it a
                              reasonable restriction at a deployment
                              that only some XOs can chat?<span><font
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                                  <br>
                                  Tony</font></span>
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                                  <div>On 01/18/2016 12:14 PM, Sam P.
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">Hi All,
                                      <div><br>
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                                      <div>Currently Sugar defaults to
                                        using "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://jabber.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">jabber.sugarlabs.org</a>"
                                        as a collaboration server in
                                        Sugar on a Stick and other GNU
                                        distros (fedora, debian, etc.). 
                                        However, I propose that we
                                        change the default (this
                                        release!) to use the local
                                        network (telepathy salut).  This
                                        is a feature is that is already
                                        in sugar, and is used on XOs and
                                        normal computers.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Why?</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* Better activity support. 
                                        Tubes are supported by salut,
                                        but not by gabble (server based
                                        collab.).  This means that
                                        activities that haven't been
                                        ported this cycle (most of them)
                                        will still work under salut
                                        (proposed default), but will not
                                        work under gabble (current
                                        default)</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* More contextual
                                        neighbourhood view.  You only
                                        see people on your local WiFi
                                        (or wired) network.  This is
                                        more helpful for finding your
                                        friends than the trawling the
                                        crowded <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://jabber.sugarlabs.org"
                                          target="_blank">jabber.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                        neighbourhood.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* More features.  File
                                        transfers work via salut, but
                                        not via <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://jabber.sugarlabs.org"
                                          target="_blank">jabber.sugarlabs.org</a></div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* More speed and less lag.  <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://Jabber.sugarlabs.org"
                                          target="_blank">Jabber.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                        is hosted in the mit.  While
                                        that is good if you are a
                                        student at the mit, it is very
                                        laggy if you are in say
                                        Australia.  I prefer near
                                        instant collaberation provided
                                        by my local network.  Even if
                                        you are at the mit, your wifi
                                        router is still closer than <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://jabber.sugarlabs.org"
                                          target="_blank">jabber.sugarlabs.org</a>
                                        (hopefully)</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>* Privacy.  Users
                                        (specifically kids) aren't by
                                        default sharing their names and
                                        colours online and inviting
                                        others to send them things.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Is this ok?  Will defaulting
                                        to use salut (local network)
                                        cause any issues for anyone?  Is
                                        this ok for the 108 cycle?</div>
                                      <div><br>
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                                      <div>Thanks,</div>
                                      <div>Sam</div>
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        <div class="gmail_signature">Walter Bender<br>
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