<div dir="ltr">Presumably the jabber server is set to point to the server on the school server in your use case. This change would not impact that.<div><br></div><div>-walter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Currently, ejabberd is used on the school server (with gabble). Does
    this change mean that something must be done on the XO or
    schoolserver to enable collaboration (it is now automatic)? So far
    as I know, the XO uses salut for ad hoc links and gabble with
    ejabberd. Generally, if it isn't broken, don't fix it.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
    <br>
    Tony</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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    <div>On 01/19/2016 01:27 AM, Samuel
      Greenfeld wrote:<br>
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        <div>I don't see this as a change disabling gabble so much as a
          change where no default jabber server is specified.  This
          forces salut (ad-hoc) to be used until a jabber server is
          specified.<br>
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        Given pretty much everyone who uses gabble outside of testing
        uses their own local jabber server and not Sugar Labs', there
        should be no user impact {apart from apps currently being broken
        with gabble staying broken until fixed}.<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Tony
            Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
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              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> This is probably a
                correct analysis for those in the US with online
                broadband connection. However, at deployments which
                depend on the school server (those without internet
                access), gabble is needed to enable all XOs to
                collaborate. One of the first tests at a deployment is
                to ensure that XOs connected to the schoolserver are
                visible to each other (i.e. that gabble is working and
                not salut).<br>
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                Such a change needs a more thorough study. Should we
                limit collaboration to XOs with a common router
                (partition the LAN)? Does collaboration with salut work
                for XOs connected to the school server? Is it a
                reasonable restriction at a deployment that only some
                XOs can chat?<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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                    Tony</font></span>
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                    <div>On 01/18/2016 12:14 PM, Sam P. wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Hi All,
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                        <div>Currently Sugar defaults to using "<a href="http://jabber.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">jabber.sugarlabs.org</a>" as
                          a collaboration server in Sugar on a Stick and
                          other GNU distros (fedora, debian, etc.). 
                          However, I propose that we change the default
                          (this release!) to use the local network
                          (telepathy salut).  This is a feature is that
                          is already in sugar, and is used on XOs and
                          normal computers.</div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>Why?</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>* Better activity support.  Tubes are
                          supported by salut, but not by gabble (server
                          based collab.).  This means that activities
                          that haven't been ported this cycle (most of
                          them) will still work under salut (proposed
                          default), but will not work under gabble
                          (current default)</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>* More contextual neighbourhood view.  You
                          only see people on your local WiFi (or wired)
                          network.  This is more helpful for finding
                          your friends than the trawling the crowded <a href="http://jabber.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">jabber.sugarlabs.org</a>
                          neighbourhood.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>* More features.  File transfers work via
                          salut, but not via <a href="http://jabber.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">jabber.sugarlabs.org</a></div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>* More speed and less lag.  <a href="http://Jabber.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Jabber.sugarlabs.org</a> is
                          hosted in the mit.  While that is good if you
                          are a student at the mit, it is very laggy if
                          you are in say Australia.  I prefer near
                          instant collaberation provided by my local
                          network.  Even if you are at the mit, your
                          wifi router is still closer than <a href="http://jabber.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">jabber.sugarlabs.org</a>
                          (hopefully)</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>* Privacy.  Users (specifically kids)
                          aren't by default sharing their names and
                          colours online and inviting others to send
                          them things.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Is this ok?  Will defaulting to use salut
                          (local network) cause any issues for anyone? 
                          Is this ok for the 108 cycle?</div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>Thanks,</div>
                        <div>Sam</div>
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