<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi, James<br>
<br>
The current help shows the 'traditional' Speak. I thought you wanted me to document the change with new screenshots, etc. Personally,<br>
I see no problem with the traditional technique. It makes the language selection more accessible and its what users know.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think is better update the documentation.<div><br></div><div>You can send me your changes for <a href="https://help.sugarlabs.org/speak.html">https://help.sugarlabs.org/speak.html</a></div><div>in text format, and a new screenshot (max width 800px)</div></div><div><br></div><div>Speak use the language configured in Sugar if is available,</div><div>then, there are not too much need of use the languages button at least the user </div><div>want change it. Walter already explained other reasons for the change. </div><div>Speak activity will use any language available on espeak (see 'espeak --voices' as pointed by James)</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The 'Arabic' issue is quite other. A language is implemented in Speak by supplying a file of phonemes corresponding to the language as it is spoken in<br>
a particular area (e.g. Arabic may be pronounced differently in Egypt and Morrocco. The phonemes are coded using linguistics conventions. At one<br>
point, we tried to get a Nepali langauge by modifying the phonemes of Hindu - this turned out to be beyond the capacity of some very intelligent interns.<br>
We could perhaps find if the contributor of Speak has added languages to his version which we have not incorporated in Speak - but that would be a new<br>
version and some work. Volunteers are certainly welcome.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think add any language will be non trivial.</div><div>Your best option should be test if ar-espeak works </div><div>(there are packages available here <a href="http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3?stat=3&search=ar-espeak&srodzaj=3">http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3?stat=3&search=ar-espeak&srodzaj=3</a>)</div><div>and contact the developer and espeak developers to try to have that changes included in espeak)</div><div><br></div><div>Gonzalo</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
Tony</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On 08/13/2015 09:47 AM, James Cameron wrote:<br>
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No, not really.<br>
<br>
The documentation still needs changing for the position of the<br>
language selection, using the latest version of Speak, regardless of<br>
your problem with Arabic missing. That's what I thought you were<br>
suggesting with:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Perhaps the Help description on Speak should be updated.<br>
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Underneath Sugar, your problem of Arabic support is that "espeak<br>
--voices" command doesn't list Arabic, because it is not supported in<br>
eSpeak:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://espeak.sourceforge.net/languages.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://espeak.sourceforge.net/languages.html</a><br>
<br>
A quick search for espeak arabic yields Al-Mintiq and ar-espeak<br>
projects. Fedora doesn't have these packaged.<br>
<br>
So it looks like a challenge to add Arabic. Let us know how you go<br>
with that.<br>
<br>
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 08:53:16AM +0200, Tony Anderson wrote:<br>
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Wouldn't it be better to make Speak work as described in the documentation?<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
On 08/13/2015 12:48 AM, James Cameron wrote:<br>
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Yes, please update it Tony.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://github.com/godiard/help-activity/blob/master/source/speak.rst" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/godiard/help-activity/blob/master/source/speak.rst</a><br>
<a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help/Contribute" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help/Contribute</a><br>
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 03:59:58PM +0200, Tony Anderson wrote:<br>
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Hi, Walter<br>
<br>
Thanks. Sadly, that shows we don't have Arabic support in Speak. Perhaps the<br>
Help description on Speak should be updated.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
On 08/12/2015 03:40 PM, Walter Bender wrote:<br>
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Tony Anderson [1]<<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi, Gonzalo<br>
<br>
I am getting involved in a new deployment which needs Arabic support. So I<br>
was trying to describe what is available and what may need some work. I<br>
wanted<br>
to point to the Speak activity but first wanted to check if Arabic is one of<br>
the languages. I was a bit surprised to find that language selection is not<br>
in<br>
version 51 (13.2.5). The help activity still shows it in the screen-shot.<br>
<br>
It is still there, just under the voice attributes toolbar instead of<br>
on the main toolbar. See attached.<br>
<br>
regards.<br>
<br>
-walter<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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