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Hi, Sam<br>
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In Rwanda, the students found the language panel (after all, they
are supposed to try everything) and switched their system to Arabic,
probably because it looked interesting and was at the top of the
list. However, finding a teacher able to switch back to English was
a bit trickier. <br>
<br>
Actually, I think the developers haven't really thought through the
deployment process. The computers are typically batch flashed before
being assigned to students. <br>
So the setting of nickname, color and now gender and grade level
can't be done at that time. So in our workshops, we need to explain
to the teachers how to <br>
provide (or have the children provide) the correct information
through settings. Despite being one laptop per child, in reality
many deployments share one laptop <br>
among several students (e.g. class 4 in this hour and class 5 in the
next hour). As a consequence, the statistics gathered by these
settings are really not accurate. <br>
Several schools set the nick to a local id number which is also
written on the XO. This ID is how students identify which one is
theirs in the charging rack. <br>
<br>
So designing a specific interaction on the basis that it will be
done by an experienced computer user and that others will be done by
students and teachers is difficult.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/12/2015 01:56 PM, Sam P. wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hey Tony,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM Tony Anderson
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi, Sam<br>
<br>
My concern is not the execution of the panel, but how we
explain it to users. Remember our target audience is
teachers and students in primary school in the <br>
developing world with little or no prior computer
experience. As developers, we often see things as simple
because we have used many others like it. It may not <br>
be so simple to those who do not have that experience.<br>
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<div>Yep. But we don't have a selector in the intro, so
they'd be pretty amazing to find the language settings if
it wasn't configured by their deployment :)<br>
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However, we probably should think about the
dialect/region selection. If I have selected Arabic,
perhaps the dialect/region list should be in Arabic.<br>
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<div>Ticket: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4449">https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4449</a><br>
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We may also want to think about that list - do the
entries represent countries where the language is spoken
or represent dialects? I suspect the lists were <br>
copied from earlier releases.</div>
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<div>They're just the system languages, so that is an issue
for the distribution.<br>
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Tony</div>
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<div>On 08/12/2015 01:38 PM, Sam P. wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Tony,<br>
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<div>The control panel is very simple. The
left column is the language and the right
column is the region/dialect.<br>
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<div>Maybe that should be a column header?<br>
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<div>Also, there is no conflicting "+" and
"add" buttons. The dropdown for the
language selectors in a up or down arrow,
while the add a new language button is a
"+". The hitbox for the expand/contract the
dropdown includes the button and the label,
making it more discoverable.<br>
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<div>Maybe it should use palettes (or modals
with search!) to be more consistent, but it
is actually a very nice ui considering it
does a very complex job.<br>
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I opened the control panel on the same OLPC OS
image that you are running, can can not
reproduce many (any?) of the issues you're
describing.<br>
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Please consider opening separate tickets for the
issues.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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Sam<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:26 PM Tony
Anderson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<br>
To continue the story. The way it works, you click
on the button to the<br>
left of the language (English) to<br>
get a list. You click on the language to get a
dialect (or region?). You<br>
click on the dialect to select it. You then click
on the<br>
+ button to get it 'really' selected. You then
click on the top right<br>
button to restart as always.<br>
<br>
After restarting the added language (German) is
the system language.<br>
However, when going back to the<br>
language selection in settings, German is the only
language shown. So<br>
you need to click to open the language<br>
list, click on English. This opens up the options
of Australien and USA.<br>
Incidentally, that is now the only line, the
German<br>
option has disappeared.<br>
<br>
I tried Arabic. There are 12 regions or dialects
available. That list is<br>
in English. I selected Egypt and was able to<br>
switch to Arabic. To switch back, I clicked on the
button to the left of<br>
Arabic (only line). It lists alternate languages<br>
in a mixture of Arabic and Latin alphabets.
English is evidently shown<br>
in Arabic but Spanish is Spanish. I selected<br>
Spanish getting 21 regional choices all in Arabic
except USA. I selected<br>
USA and switched the system to Spanish.<br>
<br>
I then went back to settings and got a list of
languages in Spanish<br>
(Inglés). I selected that option and got a choice<br>
of Australia and USA. I was able to get back to
the original English,<br>
USA option.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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On 08/12/2015 12:55 PM, Tony Anderson wrote:<br>
> I was surprised and embarrassed yesterday
trying to show how easy it<br>
> is to switch<br>
> languages. I was using a 13.2.5 image.<br>
><br>
> In previous versions, you go to settings and
language and get a long<br>
> list of supported<br>
> languages. In 13.2.5, you get a statement:
'Add languages in the order<br>
> you prefer'.<br>
> So I clicked on + to add German. It added
another row: English USA + -<br>
><br>
> In the press of the moment, I couldn't find
any other language that<br>
> English USA.<br>
><br>
> However, today I found that the trick is to
click on the button to the<br>
> left of the word English. This<br>
> opens the expected list. Click on German adds
a line with dialects:<br>
> Austria, Belgium, Germany, ...<br>
><br>
> Unfortunately, the use of the word 'add'
together with a '+' button at<br>
> least in my case led to confusion.<br>
><br>
> Tony<br>
>
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