<div dir="ltr">Hey Tony,<br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM Tony Anderson <<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi, Sam<br>
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My concern is not the execution of the panel, but how we explain it
to users. Remember our target audience is teachers and students in
primary school in the <br>
developing world with little or no prior computer experience. As
developers, we often see things as simple because we have used many
others like it. It may not <br>
be so simple to those who do not have that experience.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yep. But we don't have a selector in the intro, so they'd be pretty amazing to find the language settings if it wasn't configured by their deployment :)<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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However, we probably should think about the dialect/region
selection. If I have selected Arabic, perhaps the dialect/region
list should be in Arabic.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ticket: <a href="https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4449">https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4449</a><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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We may also want to think about that list - do the entries represent
countries where the language is spoken or represent dialects? I
suspect the lists were <br>
copied from earlier releases.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>They're just the system languages, so that is an issue for the distribution.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
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Tony</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
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<div>On 08/12/2015 01:38 PM, Sam P. wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Tony,<br>
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<div>The control panel is very simple. The left column is
the language and the right column is the region/dialect.<br>
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<div>Maybe that should be a column header?<br>
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<div>Also, there is no conflicting "+" and "add" buttons.
The dropdown for the language selectors in a up or down
arrow, while the add a new language button is a "+".
The hitbox for the expand/contract the dropdown includes
the button and the label, making it more discoverable.<br>
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<div>Maybe it should use palettes (or modals with search!)
to be more consistent, but it is actually a very nice ui
considering it does a very complex job.<br>
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I opened the control panel on the same OLPC OS image that
you are running, can can not reproduce many (any?) of the
issues you're describing.<br>
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Please consider opening separate tickets for the issues.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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Sam<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:26 PM Tony Anderson
<<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
To continue the story. The way it works, you click on the
button to the<br>
left of the language (English) to<br>
get a list. You click on the language to get a dialect (or
region?). You<br>
click on the dialect to select it. You then click on the<br>
+ button to get it 'really' selected. You then click on the
top right<br>
button to restart as always.<br>
<br>
After restarting the added language (German) is the system
language.<br>
However, when going back to the<br>
language selection in settings, German is the only language
shown. So<br>
you need to click to open the language<br>
list, click on English. This opens up the options of
Australien and USA.<br>
Incidentally, that is now the only line, the German<br>
option has disappeared.<br>
<br>
I tried Arabic. There are 12 regions or dialects available.
That list is<br>
in English. I selected Egypt and was able to<br>
switch to Arabic. To switch back, I clicked on the button to
the left of<br>
Arabic (only line). It lists alternate languages<br>
in a mixture of Arabic and Latin alphabets. English is
evidently shown<br>
in Arabic but Spanish is Spanish. I selected<br>
Spanish getting 21 regional choices all in Arabic except USA.
I selected<br>
USA and switched the system to Spanish.<br>
<br>
I then went back to settings and got a list of languages in
Spanish<br>
(Inglés). I selected that option and got a choice<br>
of Australia and USA. I was able to get back to the original
English,<br>
USA option.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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On 08/12/2015 12:55 PM, Tony Anderson wrote:<br>
> I was surprised and embarrassed yesterday trying to show
how easy it<br>
> is to switch<br>
> languages. I was using a 13.2.5 image.<br>
><br>
> In previous versions, you go to settings and language and
get a long<br>
> list of supported<br>
> languages. In 13.2.5, you get a statement: 'Add languages
in the order<br>
> you prefer'.<br>
> So I clicked on + to add German. It added another row:
English USA + -<br>
><br>
> In the press of the moment, I couldn't find any other
language that<br>
> English USA.<br>
><br>
> However, today I found that the trick is to click on the
button to the<br>
> left of the word English. This<br>
> opens the expected list. Click on German adds a line with
dialects:<br>
> Austria, Belgium, Germany, ...<br>
><br>
> Unfortunately, the use of the word 'add' together with a
'+' button at<br>
> least in my case led to confusion.<br>
><br>
> Tony<br>
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