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I was responding to Sebastian Silva's comment:<br>
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>You can write full, professional web apps from Pippy, if you
have access<br>
>to one or two extra python packages ( personal favorite, try
Flask<br>
><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://flask.pocoo.org/"
target="_blank">http://flask.pocoo.org/</a>> ). The trick is
getting to them, which is why<br>
>Sam's proposal is quite good, access to the Python Package Index
from<br>
>Pippy...<br>
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My confusion was the reference to pippy for writing web apps. I
assume the reference to Flask was to <br>
the availability of Python packages to install. My remarks were that
it would be difficult to set up Flask or Django <br>
on a school server and have students create applications from a
systems administration point of view.<br>
<br>
At some point, students learning to program should understand
message-passing whether between processes or between server and
client. My leaning is to <br>
a 'bare bones' approach, not basing the learning on a framework
intended to make the mechanics invisible. That can come later as the
student develops experience and an understanding of work flow.<br>
<br>
I am not sure I understand the distinction between exploration and
production in this context. At my last workshop, we needed to use
GIMP to crop and resize images. Naturally we could have used GIMP in
Sugar from the command line. Using GIMP to crop images is certainly
production, although needed in a context of exploration (printing
booklets).<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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<div>I am lost here now :)</div>
<div>Why we are talking about use pippy for
professional work?</div>
<div>If you want teach some kids to develop a web
site, is ok, but Sugar is not designed to be</div>
<div>a production environment, in the same way that
Eclipse is not designed to tech math.</div>
<div>Why should we want teach Flask or Django to
kids from 6 to 12 years old? </div>
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<div>The idea from Day One was that the Sugar environment
would be for exploration and the GNOME desktop would be
used for production. Students would gradually migrate from
one to the other. Is there a reason to abandon this
framework? Hence I agree with Gonzalo that we need to not
distort Sugar's goals to service professional production
values.</div>
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On 05/23/2015 06:00 PM, <a
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target="_blank">sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>
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Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 08:11:54 +0000 From:
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To: "Sebastian Silva" <<a
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charset="windows-1252" Thanks for the
feedback. Just that I have been testing
other people web applications (and saving me
time) with docker that I feel perhaps a kid
with an XO can do the same and learn
something with lighter weight
virtualization. Hope some developer can take
up Sam's and your recommendation of Flask.
Cheers<br>
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>From: Sebastian Silva [mailto:<a
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>Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 03:55 PM<br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>On 23/05/15 02:00,<a
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>>Hope it makes sense:-)<br>
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>It still doesn't, to me at least.<br>
><br>
>It's sounds like you are saying you
want to run any linux distro on<br>
>virtualbox on xo. It would be
pointless waste of machine resources<br>
>because you are already running a
linux distro.<br>
><br>
>You can write full, professional web
apps from Pippy, if you have access<br>
>to one or two extra python packages (
personal favorite, try Flask<br>
><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://flask.pocoo.org/"
target="_blank">http://flask.pocoo.org/</a>>
). The trick is getting to them, which is
why<br>
>Sam's proposal is quite good, access
to the Python Package Index from<br>
>Pippy...<br>
><br>
>-- >I+D SomosAzucar.Org<br>
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solo. Los seres humanos se liberan en
comuni?n" - P. Freire<br>
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