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    I was responding to Sebastian Silva's comment:<br>
    <br>
    >You can write full, professional web apps from Pippy, if you
    have access<br>
    >to one or two extra python packages ( personal favorite, try
    Flask<br>
    ><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://flask.pocoo.org/"
      target="_blank">http://flask.pocoo.org/</a>>  ). The trick is
    getting to them, which is why<br>
    >Sam's proposal is quite good, access to the Python Package Index
    from<br>
    >Pippy...<br>
    <br>
    My confusion was the reference to pippy for writing web apps. I
    assume the reference to Flask was to <br>
    the availability of Python packages to install. My remarks were that
    it would be difficult to set up Flask or Django <br>
    on a school server and have students create applications from a
    systems administration point of view.<br>
    <br>
    At some point, students learning to program should understand
    message-passing whether between processes or between server and
    client. My leaning is to <br>
    a 'bare bones' approach, not basing the learning on a framework
    intended to make the mechanics invisible. That can come later as the
    student develops experience and an understanding of work flow.<br>
    <br>
    I am not sure I understand the distinction between exploration and
    production in this context. At my last workshop, we needed to use
    GIMP to crop and resize images. Naturally we could have used GIMP in
    Sugar from the command line. Using GIMP to crop images is certainly
    production, although needed in a context of exploration (printing
    booklets).<br>
    <br>
    Tony<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/26/2015 03:13 PM, Walter Bender
      wrote:<br>
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                    <div>I am lost here now :)</div>
                    <div>Why we are talking about use pippy for
                      professional work?</div>
                    <div>If you want teach some kids to develop a web
                      site, is ok, but Sugar is not designed to be</div>
                    <div>a production environment, in the same way that
                      Eclipse is not designed to tech math.</div>
                    <div>Why should we want teach Flask or Django to
                      kids from 6 to 12 years old? </div>
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            <div>The idea from Day One was that the Sugar environment
              would be for exploration and the GNOME desktop would be
              used for production. Students would gradually migrate from
              one to the other. Is there a reason to abandon this
              framework? Hence I agree with Gonzalo that we need to not
              distort Sugar's goals to service professional production
              values.</div>
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            <div>-walter</div>
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                          On 05/23/2015 06:00 PM, <a
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                          wrote:<br>
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                            Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 08:11:54 +0000 From:
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:tkkang@nurturingasia.com"
                              target="_blank">tkkang@nurturingasia.com</a>
                            To: "Sebastian Silva" <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org"
                              target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>>,

                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:tkkang@nurturingasia.com"
                              target="_blank">tkkang@nurturingasia.com</a>,
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org"
                              target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>
                            Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Docker in
                            Sugar/XO laptop Message-ID:
                            <W6839625023265491432368714@atl4webmail07>
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                            charset="windows-1252" Thanks for the
                            feedback. Just that I have been testing
                            other people web applications (and saving me
                            time) with docker that I feel perhaps a kid
                            with an XO can do the same and learn
                            something with lighter weight
                            virtualization. Hope some developer can take
                            up Sam's and your recommendation of Flask.
                            Cheers<br>
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                              >-----Original Message-----<br>
                              >From: Sebastian Silva [mailto:<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org"
                                target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>]<br>
                              >Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 03:55 PM<br>
                              ><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:To%3Atkkang@nurturingasia.com"
                                target="_blank">To:tkkang@nurturingasia.com</a>,<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org"
                                target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br>
                              >Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Docker in
                              Sugar/XO laptop<br>
                              ><br>
                              ><br>
                              >On 23/05/15 02:00,<a
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                                href="mailto:tkkang@nurturingasia.com"
                                target="_blank">tkkang@nurturingasia.com</a> 
                              wrote:<br>
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                                >>Hope it makes sense:-)<br>
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                              ><br>
                              >It still doesn't, to me at least.<br>
                              ><br>
                              >It's sounds like you are saying you
                              want to run any linux distro on<br>
                              >virtualbox on xo. It would be
                              pointless waste of machine resources<br>
                              >because you are already running a
                              linux distro.<br>
                              ><br>
                              >You can write full, professional web
                              apps from Pippy, if you have access<br>
                              >to one or two extra python packages (
                              personal favorite, try Flask<br>
                              ><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://flask.pocoo.org/"
                                target="_blank">http://flask.pocoo.org/</a>> 

                              ). The trick is getting to them, which is
                              why<br>
                              >Sam's proposal is quite good, access
                              to the Python Package Index from<br>
                              >Pippy...<br>
                              ><br>
                              >-- >I+D SomosAzucar.Org<br>
                              >"icarito" #somosazucar en Freenode IRC<br>
                              >"Nadie libera a nadie, nadie se libera
                              solo. Los seres humanos se liberan en
                              comuni?n" - P. Freire<br>
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