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It's very easy to hit the Stop button (in an activity)
when trying<br>
to invoke the frame from the touchscreen.<br>
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4.- Other ways to invoke the frame are equally funny:
Alt-Shift-F, F5<br>
(or is it F6? I never remember)<br>
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<div>Alt-Shift-F and F6 works. In the new XO > 1-5, F6
have the frame icon, then have a lot of sense.</div>
<div>In XO-1 and xo-1.5, the frame key is at the top right
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Most keyboards don't have a Frame key. We have to assume that.<br>
If my memory servers me right, the original XO's design removed the
CAPS LOCK key for finding it useless and promoting of error and
misuse.<br>
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I share this concept.<br>
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Then there's the Super a.k.a. <i>Windows</i>/<i>Apple</i> key. <i></i>
That's also a good candidate.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. Super/Windows/Apple key is a good candidate. Better than CapsLock,</div><div>because is already related to applications management in other environments. </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
To make things even more interesting, all Chromebooks have a "Find"
key at the spot where regular keyboards have CAPS LOCK. It acts as a
Super key.<br>
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<div>b) Probably would be good make some of the keybindings
configurable,</div>
<div>but then we would need lead with the fact than maintain
documentation</div>
<div>or how show to the users what are the
keybindings/gestures in use.</div>
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We would? Perhaps My Settings -> Keybindings would be enough?
(Much like XFCE)<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Probably. We already have a My Settings -> Frame section. Maybe we can add the keybing for the frame there? </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
(unrelated, why is My Settings modal?)</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Because interacted in a bad way with the widgets in the frame. </div><div>There are a few bugs filled (and fixed) in <a href="http://bugs.sugarlabs.org">bugs.sugarlabs.org</a> related to that.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><span class="">
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<div>c) The problem with add other gestures is that the
finger can interact </div>
<div>with other objects while doing the gesture. As a
example, if you have the Paint activity,</div>
<div>can draw in the canvas. Other collisions can be with
scrolling areas</div>
<div>or the zoom gestures like in ImageViewer. </div></div></div></div></blockquote></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div><br class="">There are more information in bug <a href="http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3981">http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3981</a></div><div>and a lot more just searching <a href="http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/search?q=gesture&noquickjump=1&ticket=on">http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/search?q=gesture&noquickjump=1&ticket=on</a></div></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Gtk
implemented gestures</div>
<div>after we implemented them in Sugar, then the situation
could be better with </div>
<div>newer Gk versions, but, that imply:</div>
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<div>* Port the gestures support from the sugar toolkit
side to the new Gtk methods.</div>
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<div>* Require a newer Gtk, than could be a problem by
example in F18.</div>
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Are the current maintainers familiar with this code? From some of
the headers (SugarExt for example), I see names I don't recognize.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>All what you see in the module SugarExt is implemented in c and available to th python code </div><div>using gobject-introspection. The gestures code was implemented by Carlos Garnacho</div><div>who is involved in gestures in Gtk too.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
I understand the problem. Android solves it by reserving a piece of
the screen. Perhaps we could do something like that: A hint to the
user that there is a Frame to pull from above.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. That was </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div>We really need have a active Design Team again... any
idea is welcomed <br>
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How about updating the HIG ? I think any Design work as a community
project within Sugar Labs, should have to start there.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Update the HIG would be great.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
Remember, Sugar is a vision, not an implementation.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
<br></font></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I deeply disagree. Is a vision _and_ a implementation.</div><div>Kids don't use visions. </div><div><br></div><div>Gonzalo</div></div>
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