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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/04/15 12:39, Gonzalo Odiard
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<div class="gmail_quote"><span dir="ltr">(</span>you have to
pass your finger thru the rightmost border of the screen
from top to bottom).<br>
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<div>Not correct. The gesture to show/hide the frame is do a
short swipe from</div>
<div>top border in bottom direction. Not only in the
rightmost border,</div>
<div>all the top border works.</div>
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I stand corrected. Confirmed as working in consumer class
touchscreen.<br>
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Only practical to do on XO (because the screen has a
bevel). Most<br>
laptops with touchscreen in the market don't have this
bevel.<br>
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<div>I don't understand why that could not work without a
bevel. Could you explain?</div>
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Because I wrongly thought the gesture only worked on the rightmost
side (so you'd use the bevel to guide your finger).<br>
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It's very easy to hit the Stop button (in an activity)
when trying<br>
to invoke the frame from the touchscreen.<br>
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4.- Other ways to invoke the frame are equally funny:
Alt-Shift-F, F5<br>
(or is it F6? I never remember)<br>
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<div>Alt-Shift-F and F6 works. In the new XO > 1-5, F6
have the frame icon, then have a lot of sense.</div>
<div>In XO-1 and xo-1.5, the frame key is at the top right
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Most keyboards don't have a Frame key. We have to assume that.<br>
If my memory servers me right, the original XO's design removed the
CAPS LOCK key for finding it useless and promoting of error and
misuse.<br>
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I share this concept.<br>
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Then there's the Super a.k.a. <i>Windows</i>/<i>Apple</i> key. <i></i>
That's also a good candidate.<br>
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To make things even more interesting, all Chromebooks have a "Find"
key at the spot where regular keyboards have CAPS LOCK. It acts as a
Super key.<br>
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<div>b) Probably would be good make some of the keybindings
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<div>but then we would need lead with the fact than maintain
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<div>or how show to the users what are the
keybindings/gestures in use.</div>
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We would? Perhaps My Settings -> Keybindings would be enough?
(Much like XFCE)<br>
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(unrelated, why is My Settings modal?)<br>
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<div>c) The problem with add other gestures is that the
finger can interact </div>
<div>with other objects while doing the gesture. As a
example, if you have the Paint activity,</div>
<div>can draw in the canvas. Other collisions can be with
scrolling areas</div>
<div>or the zoom gestures like in ImageViewer. Gtk
implemented gestures</div>
<div>after we implemented them in Sugar, then the situation
could be better with </div>
<div>newer Gk versions, but, that imply:</div>
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<div>* Port the gestures support from the sugar toolkit
side to the new Gtk methods.</div>
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<div>* Require a newer Gtk, than could be a problem by
example in F18.</div>
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Are the current maintainers familiar with this code? From some of
the headers (SugarExt for example), I see names I don't recognize.<br>
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I understand the problem. Android solves it by reserving a piece of
the screen. Perhaps we could do something like that: A hint to the
user that there is a Frame to pull from above.
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<div>We really need have a active Design Team again... any
idea is welcomed <br>
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How about updating the HIG ? I think any Design work as a community
project within Sugar Labs, should have to start there.<br>
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Remember, Sugar is a vision, not an implementation.<br>
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Sebastian<br>
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