<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I'm certainly willing to try again. However the community (starting with the Oversight Board) needs to support the initiative - technical work is involved on our side even with a partner, including work I probably don't even know about. And SL's immediate focus is on mentoring GSoC projects. </div>I will ask for an agenda item in the next Oversight Borard meeting or the one after. </div>Sean. </div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Iain Brown Douglas <<a href="mailto:iain@browndouglas.plus.com" target="_blank">iain@browndouglas.plus.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Sean, Is it a thing that you would contemplate now, to approach Oracle (for corporate sponsorship, perhaps) but in particular about what support they would offer Sugarlabs towards our targets? Would there be a view against this idea? Regards, Iain <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"> On Sat, 2015-03-21 at 11:37 +0100, Sean DALY wrote: > Yes, of course, which is why my idea was to get assistance. To be > clear, I'm in favor of whatever solution could ease installation. > Choosing a keyboard layout from scratch can be quite tricky for the > uninitiated, the Virtualbox list is long with many variants > (<a href="https://straymarcs.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/8.-select-keyboard.png" target="_blank">https://straymarcs.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/8.-select-keyboard.png</a>) although an autodetect button is available. If the teacher or journalist has to configure language and keyboard a second time when booting the VM as you mention, that qualifies as jumping through hoops. My goal was to work with Oracle on a bundled installer+VM executable (which requires a matrix by host OS in any case) to make the install as seamless as possible. I cite Firefox because they propose a pancake button installer by probing the website client (or analyzing the user agent, or whatever they do), with the full matrix only 1 click away. > > > Sean > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Gonzalo Odiard > <<a href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org">godiard@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: > We can ask language and keyboard in the first boot as we do > with age and gender. > I think create and maintain a complete matrix of VMs will be > more difficult. > > > Gonzalo > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Sean DALY > <<a href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > We need to do everything possible to reduce Sugar's > installation and unfamiliarity barriers. Not everyone > speaks English and can find and configure the Sugar > control panel on their first encounter with Sugar. A > keyboard mismatched with what appears on the screen > merely gives the impression it doesn't work right. VM > hosts could have a number of different keyboards - for > example I have a Macbook with French locale Azerty > layout > > (flipped numbers row, common accents) and a Dell > education netbook with Belgium locale keyboard. Look > at the Firefox "Systems & Languages" download matrix > (<a href="https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/" target="_blank">https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/</a>), for a > Sugar VM with bundled installer an interested teacher > or journalist would just need to choose the > appropriate download. > > > I feel the huge sizes of these images would be more of > a problem, but not much we can do there. > > > Sean > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Gonzalo Odiard > <<a href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org">godiard@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: > > My idea at the time was to approach Oracle > for corporate sponsorship > > of Virtualbox images, in particular hosting > a workflow to automate > > prebuilt images by host language/keyboard, > however some community > > members were aghast at the idea. > > > Is still needed have a vm by host > language/keyboard? > Or we can ask to the user using the same code > from the Sugar control panel? > > > Gonzalo > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:18 PM, James Cameron > <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 06:26:34PM > +0100, Sean DALY wrote: > > My idea at the time was to approach > Oracle for corporate sponsorship > > of Virtualbox images, in particular > hosting a workflow to automate > > prebuilt images by host > language/keyboard, however some > community > > members were aghast at the idea. > > Maybe now is a better time. Maybe > those aghast at the idea haven't > noticed yet. ;-) > > -- > James Cameron > <a href="http://quozl.linux.org.au/" target="_blank">http://quozl.linux.org.au/</a> > > > > > > -- > Gonzalo Odiard > > SugarLabs - Software for children learning > > > > > > > > -- > Gonzalo Odiard > > SugarLabs - Software for children learning > > > </div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> </div>