I think Sam shouldnt work on separate project, rather help us in improving exisiting one. And disscuis so radicial UI changes with us... <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:22 James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes, that version loads faster. 15.855 seconds for load and render. 2.824 seconds for render only. But on your version, the video embedding element "Google Code-In | Promotional video on Sugar" is beyond the visible area, only the sugarlabs title on black background is visible. Scrolling down by one page using the '×' (multiply) game key incurs a rendering delay; 1. if the key is pressed immediately, 9.744 seconds, 2. if the key is pressed after ten seconds, 2.864 seconds, Also, if the page is scrolled to position the video embedding element in the centre of screen, then use forward key to move to another site, then use back key to move back, rendering time is 14.008 seconds. Your version loads much faster on my desktop, despite the extra latency of HTTP over SSL (https). On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:02:50AM +0000, Sam P. wrote: > I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every > JavaScript and css library that has ever been published. Does this version > load faster @Quozl? [1]<a href="https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/" target="_blank">https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/</a> > > On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron <[2]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote: > > Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache. > > [3]<a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/</a> ... load and render 35.343 seconds, > (previously 31 seconds), > > [4]<a href="http://sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/</a> ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously > 5 seconds), > > [5]<a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/</a> ... render only, 14.080 seconds, > (previously 14 seconds). > > [6]<a href="http://sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/</a> ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6 > seconds), > > My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render > since last test on the XO-1. > > Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause? > > Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for > comparison? > > Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time > compared to the original site. This is a regression. Can't you > include those separate files into the main file? > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement them. > James > > Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade > significant > > changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've done > some > > tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner now. > Please > > take a look on this website - [1][7]<a href="http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/" target="_blank">http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/</a> > csIQSO/ > > [8]<a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > > > > Again, waiting for your suggestions! > > > > Regards, > > Tymon > > > > pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy <[2][9] > <a href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>> > > napisał: > > > > > ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ > > From: [3][10]<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a> > > To: [4][11]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for > opinions > > /ideas! > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100 > > > > Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a web > > designer but the "Activity Section" is suppose to change. When i mean > > change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will be > > scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no a > good > > idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern or > some > > like this from this Project mudra site [5][6][12]http:// > <a href="http://www.projectmudra.com/" target="_blank">www.projectmudra.com/</a> > > it will be faster. Also the head or menu should have a drop down > pattern. > > The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting to > this > > new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just like > the > > [7][13]<a href="http://www.projectmudra.com/" target="_blank">http://www.projectmudra.com/</a> site. Remember i am only > suggesting. > > > > Best Regards > > Samson Goddy > > > > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100 > > > From: [8][14]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > > To: [9][15]<a href="mailto:dwgipk@gmail.com" target="_blank">dwgipk@gmail.com</a> > > > CC: [10][16]<a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for > > opinions/ideas! > > > > > > > > I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no > > > real difference. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > please try to visit [1][11][17]<a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > instead of [2] > > http:// > > > > [12][18]<a href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> , then there won't be any 304 > > redirects. Thank you > > > > for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow. > > > > Tymon > > > > > > > > czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron <[3][13] > > [19]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>> > > > > napisał: > > > > > > > > It took a long time to load. See Firefox developer console > > > > screenshots of query load times: > > > > > > > > [4][14][20]<a href="http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/</a> > tymon-load-times.png > > > > [5][15][21]<a href="http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/</a> > original-load-times.png > > > > > > > > I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache, and > reduce > > > > the number of servers that have to be resolved. Also identify > the > > > > network speeds of the target market, and how they will perceive > load > > > > times. > > > > > > > > The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read, > because > > > > there was not enough contrast between the text and the > background. > > > > > > > > The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting. > > > > > > > > Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the About > > > > section. > > > > > > > > The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent with > the > > > > surrounding page style. > > > > > > > > Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on > history > > > > of Sugar, or the history of computing. > > > > > > > > Otherwise, good progress. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > James Cameron > > > > [6][16][22]<a href="http://quozl.linux.org.au/" target="_blank">http://quozl.linux.org.au/</a> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > > [7][17][23]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > > > [8][18][24]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > > > > > > > References: > > > > > > > > [1] [19][25]<a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > > > > [2] [20][26]<a href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > > > > [3] mailto:[21][27]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > > > [4] [22][28]<a href="http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/</a> > tymon-load-times.png > > > > [5] [23][29]<a href="http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/</a> > original-load-times.png > > > > [6] [24][30]<a href="http://quozl.linux.org.au/" target="_blank">http://quozl.linux.org.au/</a> > > > > [7] mailto:[25][31]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > > > [8] [26][32]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > > > > > -- > > > James Cameron > > > [27][33]<a href="http://quozl.linux.org.au/" target="_blank">http://quozl.linux.org.au/</a> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > [28][34]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > > [29][35]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > _______________________________________________ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > [30][36]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > [31][37]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > > > References: > > > > [1] [38]<a href="http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > > [2] mailto:[39]<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a> > > [3] mailto:[40]<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a> > > [4] mailto:[41]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > [5] [42]<a href="http://www.projectmudra.com/" target="_blank">http://www.projectmudra.com/</a>. > > [6] [43]<a href="http://www.projectmudra.com/" target="_blank">http://www.projectmudra.com/</a> > > [7] [44]<a href="http://www.projectmudra.com/" target="_blank">http://www.projectmudra.com/</a> > > [8] mailto:[45]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > [9] mailto:[46]<a href="mailto:dwgipk@gmail.com" target="_blank">dwgipk@gmail.com</a> > > [10] mailto:[47]<a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > [11] [48]<a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > > [12] [49]<a href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > > [13] mailto:[50]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > [14] [51]<a href="http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png</a> > > [15] [52]<a href="http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png</a> > > [16] [53]<a href="http://quozl.linux.org.au/" target="_blank">http://quozl.linux.org.au/</a> > > [17] mailto:[54]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > [18] [55]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > [19] [56]<a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > > [20] [57]<a href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > > [21] mailto:[58]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > [22] [59]<a href="http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png</a> > > [23] [60]<a href="http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png</a> > > [24] [61]<a href="http://quozl.linux.org.au/" target="_blank">http://quozl.linux.org.au/</a> > > [25] mailto:[62]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > [26] [63]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > [27] [64]<a href="http://quozl.linux.org.au/" target="_blank">http://quozl.linux.org.au/</a> > > [28] mailto:[65]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > [29] [66]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > [30] mailto:[67]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > [31] [68]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > -- > James Cameron > [69]<a href="http://quozl.linux.org.au/" target="_blank">http://quozl.linux.org.au/</a> > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > [70]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > [71]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > References: > > [1] <a href="https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/" target="_blank">https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/</a> > [2] mailto:<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > [3] <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/</a> > [4] <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/</a> > [5] <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/</a> > [6] <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/</a> > [7] <a href="http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/" 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href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > [35] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > [36] mailto:<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > [37] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > [38] <a href="http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > [39] mailto:<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a> > [40] mailto:<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a> > [41] mailto:<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > [42] <a href="http://www.projectmudra.com/" target="_blank">http://www.projectmudra.com/</a> > [43] <a href="http://www.projectmudra.com/" target="_blank">http://www.projectmudra.com/</a> > [44] <a href="http://www.projectmudra.com/" target="_blank">http://www.projectmudra.com/</a> > [45] mailto:<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > [46] mailto:<a href="mailto:dwgipk@gmail.com" target="_blank">dwgipk@gmail.com</a> > [47] mailto:<a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > [48] <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > [49] <a href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon" target="_blank">http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon</a> > [50] mailto:<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > [51] <a href="http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png</a> > [52] <a 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