<div dir="ltr">22:00 UTC is fine! See you guys there!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Matthew Ciao <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Hi everyone, </p>
<p>anybody else who can make it for the time proposed by Bernie (22:00 UTC)?</p>
<p>If not we can stick with 15:00 UTC. </p>
<p>Thx, </p>
<p>Matthew</p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 5, 2014 10:02 AM, "Matthew Ciao" <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir="ltr">22:00 UTC works for me!<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 August 2014 10:00, Bernie Innocenti <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">How about 22:00 UTC? It's 18:00 EDT and 8:00 AEST.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20140806T18&p1=43&p2=152&p3=0&p4=137" target="_blank">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20140806T18&p1=43&p2=152&p3=0&p4=137</a><br>



<div><br>
On 08/04/2014 07:15 PM, Matthew Ciao wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> this meeting translates to 1am for me so I will hardly be able to join.<br>
><br>
> Will follow any email update anyway!<br>
><br>
</div>> /Matthew/<br>
<div>><br>
><br>
> On 5 August 2014 03:55, Martin Abente <<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
</div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>     On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Bernie Innocenti <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
</div><div><div>>     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>         On 07/31/2014 01:48 PM, Martin Abente wrote:<br>
>         > Hey guys,<br>
>         ><br>
>         > A few updates:<br>
>         ><br>
>         >   * I just finished upgrading the exiting instance to Pootle<br>
>         2.5.1.1<br>
>         >     [1]. I don't know exactly what can I test to make sure the<br>
>         upgrade<br>
>         >     is working properly, @cjl suggestions?<br>
>         >   * Next step would be a fix version control integration.<br>
>         ><br>
>         > A few concerns:<br>
>         ><br>
>         >   * This update process feels like walking in the dark, the<br>
>         >     documentation does not help much to understand what is<br>
>         expected to<br>
>         >     work or what are the uses cases for our instance.<br>
><br>
>         Last time someone worked on Pootle, the documentation was clearly<br>
>         incorrect. Somewhere, the documentation recommended deploying<br>
>         Pootle as<br>
>         a stand-alone process, directly listening on port 80 (i.e. without<br>
>         Apache in front of it).<br>
><br>
>         So, yeah, take the documentation with a grain of salt.<br>
><br>
><br>
>         >   * I honestly worry that maintaining the current instance<br>
>         (upgraded or<br>
>         >     not) will not be possible in the long term.<br>
><br>
><br>
>         That was also my impression: Pootle looks like an unmaintainable<br>
>         mess,<br>
>         and it's not getting better. In production, it crashes and OOMs for<br>
>         mysterious reasons, and that's why it's now running on a<br>
>         separate VM.<br>
><br>
>         Pootle can certainly be debugged and ultimately fixed, but it would<br>
>         require long-term involvement with upstream to make their<br>
>         codebase more<br>
>         robust.<br>
><br>
><br>
>         > How about a meeting this Wednesday, August 6? To discuss about<br>
>         these<br>
>         > concerns and possible alternatives.<br>
><br>
>         Good idea. Can we do it at 11:00 EDT (15:00 UTC)?<br>
><br>
><br>
>     15:00 UTC (Wednesday, August 6) sounds good to me :)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>         >  1. <a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org/about/" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org/about/</a><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Matthew Ciao<br>
>         <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>><br>
</div></div><div>>         > <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>>><br>


>         wrote:<br>
>         ><br>
</div><div>>         >     Let me know if you need any help up there Martin... Django<br>
>         can be a<br>
>         >     serious pain in the deck. :)<br>
>         ><br>
>         >     Cheers<br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         >     On 31 July 2014 00:25, Martin Abente<br>
>         <<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>><br>
</div><div>>         >     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>         ><br>
</div><div>>         >         Hey Matthew,<br>
>         ><br>
>         >         Thanks! Right now I am trying to figure out how to upgrade<br>
>         >         pootle packages, but after I am done we look at that :)<br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         >         On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Ciao<br>
>         >         <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>><br>
</div><div>>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>>><br>


>         wrote:<br>
>         ><br>
</div><div>>         >             Hi Martin,<br>
>         ><br>
>         >             maybe if you have time you / we can also work out<br>
>         a minimal<br>
>         >             secure setup?<br>
>         ><br>
>         >             Looks like newpootle needs a bit of firewalling to<br>
>         start with:<br>
>         ><br>
>         >             sudo /sbin/iptables -L -nv<br>
>         >             Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 324 packets, 29890 bytes)<br>
>         >              pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source<br>
>         >                     destination<br>
>         ><br>
>         >             Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)<br>
>         >              pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source<br>
>         >                     destination<br>
>         ><br>
>         >             Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 186 packets, 20370 bytes)<br>
>         >              pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source<br>
>         >                     destination<br>
>         ><br>
>         >             Cheers<br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         >             On 30 July 2014 17:46, Matthew Ciao<br>
>         <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>><br>
</div><div>>         >             <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>         ><br>
</div><div>>         >                 Thanks Bernie!<br>
>         ><br>
>         >                 Martin I enclose an apache vhost .conf file<br>
>         that should<br>
>         >                 work out of the box based on my<br>
>         reading/editing of the<br>
>         >                 one in production at the moment.<br>
>         ><br>
>         >                 There are a few edits so if you intend to use<br>
>         it please<br>
>         >                 remove my comments! :D<br>
>         ><br>
>         >                 Cheers<br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         >                 On 30 July 2014 12:28, Bernie Innocenti<br>
>         >                 <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
</div><div>>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>         ><br>
</div><div>>         >                     Try logging in as<br>
>         <a href="mailto:bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
</div>>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a><br>
<div><div>>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>>><br>
>         ><br>
>         >                     You have root on newpootle, but please<br>
>         coordinate<br>
>         >                     with Martin to avoid<br>
>         >                     stepping on each other's toes :-)<br>
>         ><br>
>         >                     On 07/29/2014 06:42 PM, Matthew Ciao wrote:<br>
>         >                     > Hi Martin,<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     > do you have any .htaccess files in your<br>
>         sites<br>
>         >                     directories?<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     > If yes you need to review the AllowOverride<br>
>         >                     directive in your config<br>
>         >                     > files and depending on what is in<br>
>         .htaccess you<br>
>         >                     may need to enable<br>
>         >                     > modules such as mod_rewrite.<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     > Anyway the first deny directive you have<br>
>         there<br>
>         >                     works for the main Apache<br>
>         >                     > document-root (/) which I assume is<br>
>         /srv/www/<br>
>         >                     itself: check your<br>
>         >                     > httpd.conf (or main config file under<br>
>         >                     /etc/apache2/) and look for the<br>
>         >                     > default document-root.<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     > Creating an exception as you did to<br>
>         allow access<br>
>         >                     for /srv/www/ works but<br>
>         >                     > that way you slow down Apache a bit<br>
>         because first<br>
>         >                     it evaluates a deny<br>
>         >                     > then an allow directive for the same<br>
>         document-root.<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     > If you post all the config files we can<br>
>         understand<br>
>         >                     even better.. :)<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     > Cheers<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     > On Wednesday, 30 July 2014, Martin Abente<br>
>         >                     > <<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>><br>
</div></div>>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
<div>>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         ><br>
>         <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>><br>
</div>>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
<div><div>>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>>');>> wrote:<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >     Hello all,<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >     The instance is back, I had to made<br>
>         a few changes:<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >      1. added ".conf" extension to the site<br>
>         >                     configuration file<br>
>         >                     >      2. temporarily removed caching<br>
>         directives, I<br>
>         >                     still need to figure<br>
>         >                     >         what can be use to replace them.<br>
>         >                     >      3. changed some permissions [1].<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >     @matthew can you re-check the<br>
>         configuration<br>
>         >                     file? I am not expert in<br>
>         >                     >     apache so my fixes could be more<br>
>         like hacks.<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >     Next step is trying to upgrade<br>
>         pootle version...<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >     Refs:<br>
>         >                     >     1.<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         ><br>
>         <a href="http://dabase.com/blog/AH01630:_client_denied_by_server_configuration/" target="_blank">http://dabase.com/blog/AH01630:_client_denied_by_server_configuration/</a><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >     On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:41 PM,<br>
>         Matthew Ciao<br>
>         >                     >     <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>><br>
</div></div><div>>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>         >                     ><br>
</div><div>>         >                     >         Done!<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >         Sent it from my private email<br>
>         bashintosh<br>
>         >                     at gmail dot com<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >         On 29 July 2014 10:43, Bernie<br>
>         Innocenti<br>
>         >                     <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
</div><div>>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>         >                     ><br>
</div><div><div>>         >                     >             By the way, you don't even<br>
>         have a<br>
>         >                     shell account yet:<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/shell" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/shell</a><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >             Please apply now, you can<br>
>         use me as<br>
>         >                     your sponsor.<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >             On 07/28/2014 07:52 PM,<br>
>         Matthew Ciao<br>
>         >                     wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             > As a quick suggestion, if you<br>
>         >                     haven't done it already I<br>
>         >                     >             recommend to<br>
>         >                     >             > start debugging by looking<br>
>         at the<br>
>         >                     Apache logs<br>
>         >                     >             (/var/log/apache2 on most<br>
>         >                     >             > Debian-based systems).<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             > A general health-check on<br>
>         Apache<br>
>         >                     itself could also include:<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >   * verify the server is<br>
>         running<br>
>         >                     (process)<br>
>         >                     >             >   * verify the server is<br>
>         listening<br>
>         >                     on the desired ports<br>
>         >                     >             (netstat, lsof)<br>
>         >                     >             >   * check firewall rules<br>
>         (iptables<br>
>         >                     being a good place to<br>
>         >                     >             start)<br>
>         >                     >             >   * inspect vhosts<br>
>         configurations<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             > Lemme know if you need any<br>
>         help Martin,<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             > /Matthew/<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             > On 29 July 2014 01:27,<br>
>         Martin Abente<br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         <<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
</div></div><div>>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
</div><div>>         >                     >             >     Ok!<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >     On Mon, Jul 28, 2014<br>
>         at 11:25<br>
>         >                     AM, Bernie Innocenti<br>
>         >                     >             >     <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>><br>
</div><div>>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
</div><div><div>>         >                     >             >         Yes, I did it<br>
>         yesterday. The<br>
>         >                     machine boots, but<br>
>         >                     >             the apache<br>
>         >                     >             >         virtual host<br>
>         >                     >             >         doesn't seem to<br>
>         work any more.<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         I'll leave the<br>
>         rest to you!<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         On 07/28/2014<br>
>         10:53 AM,<br>
>         >                     Martin Abente wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             >         > Hey Bernie!<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         > Did you get the<br>
>         time to<br>
>         >                     update the machine?<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         > On Thu, Jul 24,<br>
>         2014 at<br>
>         >                     7:56 PM, Matthew Ciao<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>>><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au" target="_blank">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>>>>><br>
>         >                     >             >         wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >     Guys please<br>
>         let me<br>
>         >                     know if there's anything<br>
>         >                     >             I can do to help!<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >     On 25 July<br>
>         2014 04:01,<br>
>         >                     Martin Abente<br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     <<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>>><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com" target="_blank">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >         Hey Bernie!<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >         I<br>
>         (literally) just<br>
>         >                     finished my first<br>
>         >                     >             round of tests<br>
>         >                     >             >         setting up a<br>
>         >                     >             >         >         pootle<br>
>         2.5.1.1<br>
>         >                     instance from scratch.<br>
>         >                     >             The results are<br>
>         >                     >             >         promising:<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >          1.<br>
>         Setting up a<br>
>         >                     pootle instance from<br>
>         >                     >             scratch was very<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         straightforward.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >          2.<br>
>         Creating a new<br>
>         >                     project and<br>
>         >                     >             integrating it with git<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         versioning was<br>
>         >                     also surprisingly<br>
>         >                     >             straightforward.<br>
>         >                     >             >         In fact,<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             no<br>
>         custom bits<br>
>         >                     were require to make<br>
>         >                     >             pootle import<br>
>         >                     >             >         Sugar<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         project and<br>
>         >                     start making commits to<br>
>         >                     >             the remote<br>
>         >                     >             >         repository.<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >         Other<br>
>         premature<br>
>         >                     comments:<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >           * pootle<br>
>         >                     imported _almost_ all the<br>
>         >                     >             languages, but I<br>
>         >                     >             >         had to<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         manually add<br>
>         >                     languages like<br>
>         >                     >             "guarani". I still<br>
>         >                     >             >         don't know<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             why,<br>
>         ideas?<br>
>         >                     >             >         >           * I<br>
>         still need<br>
>         >                     to check the SL wiki to<br>
>         >                     >             have some<br>
>         >                     >             >         ideas of how<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             it<br>
>         would be<br>
>         >                     better to organize the<br>
>         >                     >             projects. IIRC, our<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             previous<br>
>         >                     pootle instance followed<br>
>         >                     >             the same sugar<br>
>         >                     >             >         modules<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             like<br>
>         sucrose,<br>
>         >                     fructose, etc.<br>
>         >                     >             Suggestions?<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >         I don't<br>
>         think I<br>
>         >                     will have the time to<br>
>         >                     >             work on this<br>
>         >                     >             >         during the<br>
>         >                     >             >         >         weeking<br>
>         (because<br>
>         >                     of the wedding), but if<br>
>         >                     >             you could<br>
>         >                     >             >         make sure the<br>
>         >                     >             >         >         server<br>
>         is ready, I<br>
>         >                     can continue over the<br>
>         >                     >             week.<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >     Bernie if<br>
>         you don't<br>
>         >                     have time to work on<br>
>         >                     >             what Martin needs<br>
>         >                     >             >         I can<br>
>         >                     >             >         >     step in, no<br>
>         problems<br>
>         >                     at all.<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >     Cheers!<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >         On Thu,<br>
>         Jul 24,<br>
>         >                     2014 at 1:03 PM, Bernie<br>
>         >                     >             Innocenti<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>><br>
>         >                     >             <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
</div></div><div><div>>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>><br>
>         >                     >             <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         Martin is<br>
>         >                     taking Pootle, but if you<br>
>         >                     >             have time to<br>
>         >                     >             >         help with<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             it,<br>
>         I think<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             it<br>
>         would be<br>
>         >                     appreciated.<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             I<br>
>         think I'll<br>
>         >                     start the work on<br>
>         >                     >             Sunday. Martin,<br>
>         >                     >             >         would you<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             have<br>
>         time?<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             On<br>
>         07/21/2014<br>
>         >                     07:08 AM, Matthew Ciao<br>
>         >                     >             wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             > Hi<br>
>         folks,<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             > it<br>
>         looks<br>
>         >                     like you're already in a<br>
>         >                     >             good position<br>
>         >                     >             >         in terms<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             of<br>
>         help from<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         rgs and/or<br>
>         >                     icarito so I don't<br>
>         >                     >             think I would be<br>
>         >                     >             >         very useful<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             at<br>
>         the meeting.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         This said,<br>
>         >                     if all goes bad please<br>
>         >                     >             involve me in<br>
>         >                     >             >         the Pootle<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         mission as I<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             > am<br>
>         more than<br>
>         >                     keen to lend a hand! :)<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             > Best,<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         Matthew<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             > On<br>
>         Jul 21,<br>
>         >                     2014 4:15 AM, "Bernie<br>
>         >                     >             Innocenti"<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>><br>
>         >                     >             <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>><br>
>         >                     >             <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>>><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>><br>
>         >                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a><br>
>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>>>>><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           +rgs,<br>
>         >                     +icarito (both of which<br>
>         >                     >             expressed<br>
>         >                     >             >         interest in<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         supporting Pootle)<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             >     On<br>
>         >                     07/20/2014 01:36 PM, Martin<br>
>         >                     >             Abente wrote:<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           > Hello<br>
>         >                     everyone,<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             >     ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           > What<br>
>         >                     about investing some<br>
>         >                     >             minutes this<br>
>         >                     >             >         week to talk<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         about Pootle's<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             >     ><br>
>         >                     status, what is missing and<br>
>         >                     >             how can we get<br>
>         >                     >             >         it back<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             to life?<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             >     ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           > I<br>
>         >                     suggest this Wednesday 23<br>
>         >                     >             July, 13:00 UTC.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           It's a<br>
>         >                     bit early for me, and<br>
>         >                     >             definitely too<br>
>         >                     >             >         early for rgs.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           Can we<br>
>         >                     do 15:00 UTC?<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           In case<br>
>         >                     I miss the meeting,<br>
>         >                     >             here's a full<br>
>         >                     >             >         dump of my mind:<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>            - you,<br>
>         >                     rgs and icarito<br>
>         >                     >             already have root to<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     <a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a><br>
>         <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>> <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>         >                     >             <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>         >                     >             <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>            - full<br>
>         >                     backups of the old<br>
>         >                     >             pootle machine are on<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         freedom, and<br>
>         >                     all of you<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           have<br>
>         >                     root access there too<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             >      -<br>
>         >                     Sysadmin documentation is<br>
>         >                     >             in the usual<br>
>         >                     >             >         place (the<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         wiki). There are<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           several<br>
>         >                     pages written by the<br>
>         >                     >             previous Pootle<br>
>         >                     >             >         maintainers:<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate</a><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle</a><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle2.5" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle2.5</a><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Machine/pootle" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Machine/pootle</a><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>            The<br>
>         >                     documentation needs to be<br>
>         >                     >             consolidated<br>
>         >                     >             >         into a<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         single page and<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           updated.<br>
>         >                     *PLEASE*, don't<br>
>         >                     >             neglect this step;<br>
>         >                     >             >         it will<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             save<br>
>         a lot of time<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             >     to<br>
>         >                     future maintainers.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>            - The<br>
>         >                     newpootle machine is<br>
>         >                     >             still running<br>
>         >                     >             >         Ubuntu 12.04<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             LTS.<br>
>         I strongly<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     recommend upgrading it to<br>
>         >                     >             14.04 (trusty) before<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         proceeding. It<br>
>         >                     won't<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           take<br>
>         >                     more than 1h of work and<br>
>         >                     >             I can do this.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             >      -<br>
>         >                     There's an outdated<br>
>         >                     >             instance of Pootle<br>
>         >                     >             >         already<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         running on<br>
>         >                     newpootle.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           It was<br>
>         >                     setup by a previous<br>
>         >                     >             volunteer, but never<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         transitioned into<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     production due to difficulties<br>
>         >                     >             with the git<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         integration<br>
>         >                     (iirc, cjl might<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           have<br>
>         >                     more on this).<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>            - I<br>
>         >                     strongly recommend<br>
>         >                     >             upgrading to the latest<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         release of<br>
>         >                     Pootle before<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           doing<br>
>         >                     anything else.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>            - Then,<br>
>         >                     the database and data<br>
>         >                     >             from the<br>
>         >                     >             >         backups needs<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             to<br>
>         be restored and<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           probably<br>
>         >                     converted to the<br>
>         >                     >             Pootle 2.5 format<br>
>         >                     >             >         (good luck<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             with<br>
>         Django db<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           migration!)<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             >      -<br>
>         >                     Finally, the part where all<br>
>         >                     >             past<br>
>         >                     >             >         maintainers seem<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             to<br>
>         get stuck: make<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           the<br>
>         >                     Pootle <-> git integration<br>
>         >                     >             work. I don't<br>
>         >                     >             >         know what<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             the<br>
>         actual<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           problem<br>
>         >                     is; pushing to git<br>
>         >                     >             should be a basic<br>
>         >                     >             >         feature<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             of a<br>
>         translation<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           system<br>
>         >                     and I'm surprised this<br>
>         >                     >             can't be made<br>
>         >                     >             >         to work<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             out<br>
>         of the box.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>            - When<br>
>         >                     everything works (and<br>
>         >                     >             please test it<br>
>         >                     >             >         well,<br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         Pootle likes<br>
>         >                     to crash<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>           and burn<br>
>         >                     under load), we can<br>
>         >                     >             change the DNS<br>
>         >                     >             >         to point<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             the<br>
>         CNAME<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     <a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a><br>
>         <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>> <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>         >                     >             <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>> to<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     newpootle. Follow the<br>
>         >                     >             Service/nameserver<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     documentation page to do this,<br>
>         >                     >             or I can do<br>
>         >                     >             >         it in 2<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             minutes.<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             >     --<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>            _ //<br>
>         >                     Bernie Innocenti<br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>            \X/<br>
>         >                      <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         >             --<br>
>         >                     >             >         >              _<br>
>         // Bernie<br>
>         >                     Innocenti<br>
>         >                     >             >         >              \X/<br>
>         >                      <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             >         ><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             >         --<br>
>         >                     >             >          _ // Bernie Innocenti<br>
>         >                     >             >          \X/<br>
>          <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     >             ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     >             --<br>
>         >                     >              _ // Bernie Innocenti<br>
>         >                     >              \X/  <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         >                     ><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         >                     --<br>
>         >                      _ // Bernie Innocenti<br>
>         >                      \X/  <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
>         ><br>
><br>
><br>
>         --<br>
>          _ // Bernie Innocenti<br>
>          \X/  <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
 _ // Bernie Innocenti<br>
 \X/  <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a><br>
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