<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Bernie Innocenti <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org" target="_blank">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">On 07/31/2014 01:48 PM, Martin Abente wrote: > Hey guys, > > A few updates: > </div>> * I just finished upgrading the exiting instance to Pootle 2.5.1.1 <div class="">> [1]. I don't know exactly what can I test to make sure the upgrade > is working properly, @cjl suggestions? </div>> * Next step would be a fix version control integration. > > A few concerns: > > * This update process feels like walking in the dark, the <div class="">> documentation does not help much to understand what is expected to > work or what are the uses cases for our instance. </div>Last time someone worked on Pootle, the documentation was clearly incorrect. Somewhere, the documentation recommended deploying Pootle as a stand-alone process, directly listening on port 80 (i.e. without Apache in front of it). So, yeah, take the documentation with a grain of salt. > * I honestly worry that maintaining the current instance (upgraded or <div class="">> not) will not be possible in the long term. </div>That was also my impression: Pootle looks like an unmaintainable mess, and it's not getting better. In production, it crashes and OOMs for mysterious reasons, and that's why it's now running on a separate VM. Pootle can certainly be debugged and ultimately fixed, but it would require long-term involvement with upstream to make their codebase more robust. <div class=""> > How about a meeting this Wednesday, August 6? To discuss about these > concerns and possible alternatives. </div>Good idea. Can we do it at 11:00 EDT (15:00 UTC)? </blockquote><div> </div><div>15:00 UTC (Wednesday, August 6) sounds good to me :)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> > 1. <a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org/about/" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org/about/</a> <div class="">> > > > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Matthew Ciao <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> </div><div class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>> wrote: > > Let me know if you need any help up there Martin... Django can be a > serious pain in the deck. :) > > Cheers > > > > On 31 July 2014 00:25, Martin Abente <<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a> </div><div class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>> wrote: > > Hey Matthew, > > Thanks! Right now I am trying to figure out how to upgrade > pootle packages, but after I am done we look at that :) > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Ciao </div><div class="">> <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>> wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > maybe if you have time you / we can also work out a minimal > secure setup? > > Looks like newpootle needs a bit of firewalling to start with: > > sudo /sbin/iptables -L -nv > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 324 packets, 29890 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 186 packets, 20370 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > > Cheers > > > On 30 July 2014 17:46, Matthew Ciao <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> </div><div class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>> wrote: > > Thanks Bernie! > > Martin I enclose an apache vhost .conf file that should > work out of the box based on my reading/editing of the > one in production at the moment. > > There are a few edits so if you intend to use it please > remove my comments! :D > > Cheers > > > On 30 July 2014 12:28, Bernie Innocenti </div><div class="">> <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>> wrote: > > Try logging in as <a href="mailto:bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org">bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a> </div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org">bashintosh@newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>> <div><div class="h5">> > You have root on newpootle, but please coordinate > with Martin to avoid > stepping on each other's toes :-) > > On 07/29/2014 06:42 PM, Matthew Ciao wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > > > do you have any .htaccess files in your sites > directories? > > > > If yes you need to review the AllowOverride > directive in your config > > files and depending on what is in .htaccess you > may need to enable > > modules such as mod_rewrite. > > > > Anyway the first deny directive you have there > works for the main Apache > > document-root (/) which I assume is /srv/www/ > itself: check your > > httpd.conf (or main config file under > /etc/apache2/) and look for the > > default document-root. > > > > Creating an exception as you did to allow access > for /srv/www/ works but > > that way you slow down Apache a bit because first > it evaluates a deny > > then an allow directive for the same document-root. > > > > If you post all the config files we can understand > even better.. :) > > > > Cheers > > > > On Wednesday, 30 July 2014, Martin Abente > > <<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a> </div></div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>> <div class="im HOEnZb">> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a> </div><div class="im HOEnZb">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>');>> wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > The instance is back, I had to made a few changes: > > > > 1. added ".conf" extension to the site > configuration file > > 2. temporarily removed caching directives, I > still need to figure > > what can be use to replace them. > > 3. changed some permissions [1]. > > > > > > @matthew can you re-check the configuration > file? I am not expert in > > apache so my fixes could be more like hacks. > > > > Next step is trying to upgrade pootle version... > > > > Refs: > > 1. > > > <a href="http://dabase.com/blog/AH01630:_client_denied_by_server_configuration/" target="_blank">http://dabase.com/blog/AH01630:_client_denied_by_server_configuration/</a> > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Matthew Ciao > > <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> </div><div class="im HOEnZb">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>> wrote: > > > > Done! > > > > Sent it from my private email bashintosh > at gmail dot com > > > > On 29 July 2014 10:43, Bernie Innocenti </div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>> wrote: > > > > By the way, you don't even have a > shell account yet: > > > > > <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/shell" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/shell</a> > > > > Please apply now, you can use me as > your sponsor. > > > > On 07/28/2014 07:52 PM, Matthew Ciao > wrote: > > > As a quick suggestion, if you > haven't done it already I > > recommend to > > > start debugging by looking at the > Apache logs > > (/var/log/apache2 on most > > > Debian-based systems). > > > > > > A general health-check on Apache > itself could also include: > > > > > > * verify the server is running > (process) > > > * verify the server is listening > on the desired ports > > (netstat, lsof) > > > * check firewall rules (iptables > being a good place to > > start) > > > * inspect vhosts configurations > > > > > > Lemme know if you need any help Martin, > > > > > > /Matthew/ > > > > > > > > > On 29 July 2014 01:27, Martin Abente > > <<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>> > > > </div></div><div class="im HOEnZb">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote: > > > </div><div class="im HOEnZb">> > > Ok! > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:25 > AM, Bernie Innocenti > > > <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> </div><div class="im HOEnZb">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>> wrote: > > > </div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> > > Yes, I did it yesterday. The > machine boots, but > > the apache > > > virtual host > > > doesn't seem to work any more. > > > > > > I'll leave the rest to you! > > > > > > > > > On 07/28/2014 10:53 AM, > Martin Abente wrote: > > > > Hey Bernie! > > > > > > > > Did you get the time to > update the machine? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at > 7:56 PM, Matthew Ciao > > > <<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>> > > > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:matthew@laptop.org.au">matthew@laptop.org.au</a>>>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Guys please let me > know if there's anything > > I can do to help! > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 July 2014 04:01, > Martin Abente > > > > <<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>> > > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>> > > > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>> > > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com">martin.abente.lahaye@gmail.com</a>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Bernie! > > > > > > > > I (literally) just > finished my first > > round of tests > > > setting up a > > > > pootle 2.5.1.1 > instance from scratch. > > The results are > > > promising: > > > > > > > > 1. Setting up a > pootle instance from > > scratch was very > > > > straightforward. > > > > 2. Creating a new > project and > > integrating it with git > > > > versioning was > also surprisingly > > straightforward. > > > In fact, > > > > no custom bits > were require to make > > pootle import > > > Sugar > > > > project and > start making commits to > > the remote > > > repository. > > > > > > > > Other premature > comments: > > > > > > > > * pootle > imported _almost_ all the > > languages, but I > > > had to > > > > manually add > languages like > > "guarani". I still > > > don't know > > > > why, ideas? > > > > * I still need > to check the SL wiki to > > have some > > > ideas of how > > > > it would be > better to organize the > > projects. IIRC, our > > > > previous > pootle instance followed > > the same sugar > > > modules > > > > like sucrose, > fructose, etc. > > Suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I > will have the time to > > work on this > > > during the > > > > weeking (because > of the wedding), but if > > you could > > > make sure the > > > > server is ready, I > can continue over the > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bernie if you don't > have time to work on > > what Martin needs > > > I can > > > > step in, no problems > at all. > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 24, > 2014 at 1:03 PM, Bernie > > Innocenti > > > > > <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>> </div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Martin is > taking Pootle, but if you > > have time to > > > help with > > > > it, I think > > > > it would be > appreciated. > > > > > > > > I think I'll > start the work on > > Sunday. Martin, > > > would you > > > > have time? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 07/21/2014 > 07:08 AM, Matthew Ciao > > wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > > > it looks > like you're already in a > > good position > > > in terms > > > > of help from > > > > > rgs and/or > icarito so I don't > > think I would be > > > very useful > > > > at the meeting. > > > > > > > > > > This said, > if all goes bad please > > involve me in > > > the Pootle > > > > mission as I > > > > > am more than > keen to lend a hand! :) > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 21, > 2014 4:15 AM, "Bernie > > Innocenti" > > > > > <<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>> > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>> > > > > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>> > > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>>>>>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > +rgs, > +icarito (both of which > > expressed > > > interest in > > > > supporting Pootle) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On > 07/20/2014 01:36 PM, Martin > > Abente wrote: > > > > > > Hello > everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > What > about investing some > > minutes this > > > week to talk > > > > about Pootle's > > > > > > > status, what is missing and > > how can we get > > > it back > > > > to life? > > > > > > > > > > > > I > suggest this Wednesday 23 > > July, 13:00 UTC. > > > > > > > > > > It's a > bit early for me, and > > definitely too > > > early for rgs. > > > > > Can we > do 15:00 UTC? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case > I miss the meeting, > > here's a full > > > dump of my mind: > > > > > > > > > > - you, > rgs and icarito > > already have root to > > > > > <a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a> <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>> > > <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>> > > > <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>> > > <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>> > > > > > > <<a href="http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org</a>> > > > > > > > > > > - full > backups of the old > > pootle machine are on > > > > freedom, and > all of you > > > > > have > root access there too > > > > > > > > > > - > Sysadmin documentation is > > in the usual > > > place (the > > > > wiki). There are > > > > > several > pages written by the > > previous Pootle > > > maintainers: > > > > > > > > > > > > > <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate</a> > > > > > > > > <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle</a> > > > > > > > > <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle2.5" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle2.5</a> > > > > > > > > <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Machine/pootle" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Machine/pootle</a> > > > > > > > > > > The > documentation needs to be > > consolidated > > > into a > > > > single page and > > > > > updated. > *PLEASE*, don't > > neglect this step; > > > it will > > > > save a lot of time > > > > > to > future maintainers. > > > > > > > > > > - The > newpootle machine is > > still running > > > Ubuntu 12.04 > > > > LTS. I strongly > > > > > > recommend upgrading it to > > 14.04 (trusty) before > > > > proceeding. It > won't > > > > > take > more than 1h of work and > > I can do this. > > > > > > > > > > - > There's an outdated > > instance of Pootle > > > already > > > > running on > newpootle. > > > > > It was > setup by a previous > > volunteer, but never > > > > transitioned into > > > > > > production due to difficulties > > with the git > > > > integration > (iirc, cjl might > > > > > have > more on this). > > > > > > > > > > - I > strongly recommend > > upgrading to the latest > > > > release of > Pootle before > > > > > doing > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > - Then, > the database and data > > from the > > > backups needs > > > > to be restored and > > > > > probably > converted to the > > Pootle 2.5 format > > > (good luck > > > > with Django db > > > > > migration!) > > > > > > > > > > - > Finally, the part where all > > past > > > maintainers seem > > > > to get stuck: make > > > > > the > Pootle <-> git integration > > work. I don't > > > know what > > > > the actual > > > > > problem > is; pushing to git > > should be a basic > > > feature > > > > of a translation > > > > > system > and I'm surprised this > > can't be made > > > to work > > > > out of the box. > > > > > > > > > > - When > everything works (and > > please test it > > > well, > > > > Pootle likes > to crash > > > > > and burn > under load), we can > > change the DNS > > > to point > > > > the CNAME > > > > > > <a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">translate.sugarlabs.org</a> <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>> > > <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>> > > > <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>> > > > > > <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>> > > > > > <<a href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://translate.sugarlabs.org</a>> to > > > > > > newpootle. Follow the > > Service/nameserver > > > > > > documentation page to do this, > > or I can do > > > it in 2 > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > _ // > Bernie Innocenti > > > > > \X/ > <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _ // Bernie > Innocenti > > > > \X/ > <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _ // Bernie Innocenti > > > \X/ <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > _ // Bernie Innocenti > > \X/ <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a> > > > > > > > > > -- > _ // Bernie Innocenti > \X/ <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a> > > > > > > -- _ // Bernie Innocenti \X/ <a href="http://codewiz.org" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> </div></div>