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On 13th of March 2014 15:52, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:<br>
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Why don't you ask the creators of the
Sugarfox project?<br>
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<div>Because I can't find anything about that
on internet?</div>
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Yes, you are right. There is not much publicated under
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<div>Ohh, I don't want start this discussion again, but when
I think on "creation" I look for a concrete
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<div>can be a prototype, repository, etc.</div>
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Basically, there are 2 repositories:<br>
1. the repository of FirefoxOS and<br>
2. the repository of Sugar Web.<br>
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To implement a prototype is trivial. Just follow the installation
instructions of FirefoxOS and then run Sugar Web on it. As I said,
it is self-explanatory.<br>
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Ok, I understand, but let me give you and the other
members of this mailing-list the information that in
this case the fight of the platforms takes place on the
level of the web browsers and not on the level of the
hardware and the underlying operating systems anymore.
For example, every larger manufacturer of mobile devices
has announced such cheap devices several months ago and
virtually are running or will run Android. So this is
the reason why I guess that it will end up with Android
and Chrome on Nexus tablet computers and Chromebook
netbooks.<br>
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<div>I don't know if there are space for more players in the
niche of "mobile OS" really. </div>
<div>But _if_ there are space for a "open web os", mozilla
ia a player, and is investing a lot of resources. </div>
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Let me summarize at first what was said so far. I guess that you
mean with the term "mobile OS" an operting system that features the
"already developed resources to do the "standard" tasks", take
photos, save and play music, browse the web" and communicate over a
wireless connectivity that offers more than for example Bluetooth
and WLAN.<br>
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In this specific field of mobile OSs there is no such niche anymore
since around 2007.<br>
In fact, you have the choice between standard Android, Android with
Chorme, and Android with Firefox, aka. Firefox OS, and also Tizen,
Sailfish OS, Chromium OS and Chrome OS, Ubuntu Touch OS, potentially
(Open) webOS in the next future again, and maybe OntoLinux
sometimes, but that was it with the
mobile operating systems that are interesting in general.<br>
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Even more worse becomes the situation if we take the requirements of
Sugar into account.<br>
1. In the case of the common Sugar implementation, there is nothing
available out of the box due to the dependencies to Gnome and
Python. It might be possible to take one of the mobile OSs that are
not based on the Android stack and build up an own mobile OS stack.
But the main problem is what has been discussed in other threads on
this mailing-list and on the development mailing-list of the OLPC
several times: the view layer respectively the Graphical User
Interface (GUI) layer based on Gnome. Without the support of
Mesa/Open GL and hence of Clutter or even better Mutter on top of
the Wayland protocol I would like to say that it makes no sense to
go further in this direction. Nevertheless, this might be the best
option for the further evolution of the classic Sugar with Python
and Gnome besides a complete change to Sugar Web.<br>
2. In the case of Sugar Web based on Node.js the only choices that
make sense is Android with Chorme, or Chromium OS and Chrome OS.<br>
3. In the case of Sugar Web based that supports every web browser (I
would like to call it pure Sugar Web or so) the first choices are
Android with Chorme, Chromium OS and Chrome OS, Firefox OS, followed
by Tizen and then by the other mentioned OSs. But in this case two
different variants of Sugar have to be supported, which should also
work together somehow, i.e. Python with HTML and HTML with Python.
But at this point there is the main problem with the communication
layer of Sugar based on Telepathy, if I have followed the
discussions in other threads correctly.<br>
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So in the end, the platform does matter more than you would like it
to be in the case of a mobile OS and related hardware, and Sugar has
to go with the times in this field.<br>
At this point I always give the advice to begin with the hardware
drivers, as it could be seen with Mesa/Open GL on the XO devices
once again recently.<br>
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[1] Sugarfox <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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