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    On 13th of March 2014 15:06, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 9:44 AM,
            Christian Stroetmann <span dir="ltr"><<a
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Aloha Everybody<br>
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                Why don't you ask the creators of the Sugarfox project?<br>
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            <div>Because I can't find anything about that on internet?</div>
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    Yes, you are right. There is not much publicated under [1], because
    it is self-explanatory: If Sugar Web runs on Firefox, then Sugar Web
    runs on FirefoxOS, and basically it should be possible to use
    everything that runs on Firefox with Sugar Web as well.<br>
    <br>
    But I went back to my own Boot to WebKit stack in relation with
    Sugarfox, because the fee for developers was too high besides some
    other issues.<br>
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Seriously,
                FirefoxOS is an Android with Firefox as desktop, simply
                said. Even the development environment is based on
                Firefox. So what works on Firefox should directly work
                on FirefoxOS as well.<br>
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                This leads us to Node.js. Personally, I do not like
                Node.js, because it "internally uses the V8 JavaScript
                engine to execute code" and "V8 was developed for the
                Chrome web browser" for example, which was also the
                reason why I became desinterested in Open webOS. Maybe
                the issue with the JavaScript engine is not that worse.<span
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            <div>I am not a expert on the platform. (Really, I should
              say, I am deeply ignorant about that)</div>
            <div>What I like is the development environment, and the
              possibility of use already developed resources</div>
            <div>to do the "standard" tasks, take photos, save and play
              music, browse the web.  </div>
            <div>We spent a lot of resources to implement that
              activities, and is not our core mission.</div>
            <div>Also, FirefoxOS is pointed to cheap devices for the
              third world, the target of Sugar too.</div>
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            <div>Gonzalo</div>
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    Ok, I understand, but let me give you and the other members of this
    mailing-list the information that in this case the fight of the
    platforms takes place on the level of the web browsers and not on
    the level of the hardware and the underlying operating systems
    anymore. For example, every larger manufacturer of mobile devices
    has announced such cheap devices several months ago and virtually
    are running or will run Android. So this is the reason why I guess
    that it will end up with Android and Chrome on Nexus tablet
    computers and Chromebook netbooks.<br>
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    <br>
    Christian<br>
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    [1] Sugarfox <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ontonics.com/innovation/pipeline.htm#sugarfox">www.ontonics.com/innovation/pipeline.htm#sugarfox</a><br>
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                    On the 13th of May 2014 13:39, Daniel Narvaez
                    <sorry, no communication over gmail> wrote:
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                      <div dir="ltr">Yes, that's a good option too. I
                        have not been following too closely but there
                        seem to be a bit of a push to get it to fully
                        work also on stock linux (rather than on the
                        android derivative they use on phones), which
                        would be useful for us.<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On 13 May 2014 13:30,
                          Gonzalo Odiard <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">A few days ago, I saw a
                              FirefoxOS cellphone.
                              <div>I wonder if we can run Sugar web on
                                that.</div>
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                                  <div>Gonzalo</div>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May
                                    12, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Daniel Narvaez
                                    <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                        <div>Yes it's basically node.js
                                          + chrome + some custom bits to
                                          integrate the two. It would be
                                          perfect to write an OS fully
                                          in js (dream or nightmare?
                                          :P).<br>
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                                            <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                              12 May 2014 16:33, Gonzalo
                                              Odiard <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">godiard@sugarlabs.org</a>></span>
                                              wrote:<br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr">This use
                                                  node.js too, right?
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                                                  <div>Gonzalo</div>
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                                                      <div>On Mon, May
                                                        12, 2014 at
                                                        11:26 AM, Daniel
                                                        Narvaez <span
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                                                        wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Hi,<br>
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                                                          github
                                                          recently open
                                                          sourced the
                                                          shell they
                                                          used to build
                                                          the atom
                                                          editor<br>
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                                                          <a
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href="https://github.com/atom/atom-shell" target="_blank">https://github.com/atom/atom-shell</a><br>
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                                                          It sounds like
                                                          it would be a
                                                          pretty cool
                                                          base for a
                                                          future html5
                                                          only sugar. Or
                                                          event just
                                                          mostly-html5,
                                                          it seems like
                                                          this could be
                                                          easily
                                                          integrated
                                                          with python
                                                          stuff.<br>
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                                                          Also it could
                                                          be a good
                                                          wrapper for
                                                          web activities
                                                          on GNOME/OS
                                                          X/Windows.<span><font
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                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Daniel Narvaez<br>
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                                                      -- <br>
                                                      <div dir="ltr">Gonzalo
                                                        Odiard<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div>SugarLabs -
                                                          Software for
                                                          children
                                                          learning <br>
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                                        <span><font color="#888888">-- <br>
                                            Daniel Narvaez<br>
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                                  -- <br>
                                  <div dir="ltr">Gonzalo Odiard<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div>SugarLabs - Software for
                                      children learning <br>
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                        Daniel Narvaez<br>
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          -- <br>
          <div dir="ltr">Gonzalo Odiard<br>
            <br>
            <div>SugarLabs - Software for children learning <br>
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