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Hi Gonzalo<br>
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Thank you very much for the links.<br>
<br>
Indeed, this is a Zoom Metaphor, but somehow I think that it is not
a true ZUI metaphor, because a user can only "jump" from one view to
the other and can not zoom inside a single view. Also, applications
like the Journal are not part of the Zoom Metaphor. So far, I can
only point to the videos on the website of Eagle Mode once again
(link at the bottom of this e-mail).<br>
<br>
I will follow your advices, come back when I toyed with SOAS, and
make a feature proposal if there is still something to propose at
all.<br>
I also thought about to make some sketches, but did not know where
to put them on the Wiki.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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<div>Hi Christian,<br>
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<div>Zoom metaphor was in Sugar from day one [1]</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Maybe you can make a concrete feature
proposal to help us understand</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">what are you proposing?</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">You can read about our Features policy
[2] <br>
and see how the Features are proposed, like in this example
[3]<br>
More examples here [4] and here [5]<br>
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Gonzalo<br>
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[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/Zoom_Metaphor">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/Zoom_Metaphor</a></div>
<div>[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy</a><br>
[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/AboutMe">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/AboutMe</a></div>
<div>[4] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Feature_Landed">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Feature_Landed</a></div>
<div>[5] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:44 AM,
Christian Stroetmann <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi again<br>
<br>
And here is a collaborative story authoring tool for
children called KidPad ([1]) based on ZUI and related
with Pad++. It is based on Jazz respectively Piccolo
([2]; unmantained website), which has as successor
Piccolo2 ([3]; use this website for more software
technical informations). Said this, the general concept
to use a ZUI for eductional software is not so new.<br>
<br>
I also looked at the Sugar framework again in relation
with a potential prototyp of Sugar+ZUI. At least two
options exist:<br>
1. Put ZUI into a Linux kernel.<br>
Pro: In this way Sugar developers could decide if they
want to use it or not. This might also have advantages
with the overall perforamance<br>
Contra: There are X11, D-Bus and Gnome dependancies.<br>
Personally, I prefer Wayland instead of X11 but this is
another Sugar enhancement.<br>
2. Put ZUI into the Glucose layer.<br>
Pro: ?<br>
Contra: Binds ZUI to Python or/and JavaSript.<br>
Personally, I prefer my Boot to WebCore with C++Core,
but this is another Sugar story.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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[1] KidPad <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/kiddesign/kidpad.shtml"
target="_blank">www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/kiddesign/kidpad.shtml</a><br>
[2] Jazz and Piccolo <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/jazz/"
target="_blank">www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/jazz/</a><br>
[3] Piccolo2 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.piccolo2d.org" target="_blank">www.piccolo2d.org</a>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Hi again<br>
<br>
I forget to say something to your question related
with the educational technology.<br>
<br>
Firstly, I found the following statements on the
webpage "What is Sugar?" in the section "About the
Sugar Learning Platform" of Sugar ([1]) that says:<br>
" It is easy to approach and yet it doesn't put an
upper bound on personal expression; one can peel
away layers and go deeper and deeper, with no
restrictions." and<br>
"[...] in whatever realm the learner is exploring
[...] they are able to drill deeper; they are not
going to hit a wall, since they can, at every
level, engage in debugging both their personal
expression and the very tools that they use for
that expression."<br>
<br>
Hence, Sugar+ZUI supports the learning even with
the related UI paradigm that reflects the general
computer desktop metaphor as well as the 3rd
characteristical attribute of Sugar.<br>
<br>
Secondly, if the U.S. government supports this ZUI
based Prezi software as part of a billion U.S.
Dollar donation even if it does not comply with
ADA and 508 actually, then there must be a very
strong reason to include a ZUI based application
in a framework of educational software. Sadly to
say, I do not know the true reason actually, but
my instinct gives me a very clear hint. For sure,
I do know that these might not be convicting
arguments.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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[1] Sugar, What is Sugar?, About the Sugar
Learning Plattform <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/What_is_Sugar"
target="_blank">wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/What_is_Sugar</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Hi Sam<br>
<br>
Basically, I find this ZUI concept as attractive
as the multi-touchscreen and the mind mapping
approach.<br>
<br>
Also, the foundational hierachical structure of
Sugar with the views you mentioned fits
perfectly with a ZUI.<br>
The problem I have seen is that the screen gets
more and more crowded with icons when Sugar is
used and collaborations are made. Also, specific
applications like the Journal suffer from this
problem respectively allow to present only a
small list of documents and activities at once.
In this relation, I refer to some screenshots
that I have seen on the Sugar Labs website. A
solution to this problem is a ZUI functionality.<br>
Even better, due to the simple GUI metaphor of
Sugar deliberately designed for children,
Sugar+ZUI should already run smoothly when a
user zooms in an out with actual hardware.<br>
<br>
The actual plan is to try to implement a
prototyp of Sugar+ZUI, though until now it is
just a concept and a plan, and I wanted to ask
the other developers at first, if they are
interested and if it is worth to go in this
direction at all.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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PM, "Sam Parkinson" <<a
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<p dir="ltr">Hi,</p>
<p dir="ltr">In sugar we currently have
'the views'. I think the vid on our site
shows that.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The whole zui thing does look
cool, but besides prezi I cannot see any
clear use cases in edu tech. What do you
have in mind?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sam</p>
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9:04 PM, "Christian Stroetmann" <<a
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href="mailto:stroetmann@ontolab.com"
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Aloha<br>
<br>
Since many years now I am looking at
Sugar and the underlying basic
software technologies. Besides this, I
am also interested in the specific
field of Graphical User Interfaces
(GUI).<br>
<br>
In this relation, I would like to
present a concept that is an extension
of the general GUI approach of the
Sugar learning software with a Zooming
User Interface (ZUI; [1]).<br>
<br>
One inspiring moment was that recently
the U.S.American government together
with companiens like Adobe, Prezi,
Microsoft and Apple announced to make
software donationsto schools (related
reports can be find in the web
easily).<br>
One specific software is Prezi ([2])
that is developed in Adobe Flash and
Adobe AIR, and built on top of Django
(Python web framework). Surprisingly,
Prezi is not compliant with the
Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
and Section 508 of the Rehabilitation
Act ([3] and [4])but used in education
(see again [2]).<br>
<br>
I looked around and found the software
Eagle Mode ([5]; for a first
impression see the videos on its
website diretly).<br>
<br>
Said this, I simply counted 1+1,
Sugar+ZUI and Sugar+Eagle.<br>
<br>
Such an UI approach has advantages and
disadvantages that are discussed
shortly on the website of Eagle Mode
(see [6]). The point with the hardware
requirements seems not to be relevant,
because for example the hardware of
the latest featurephones and
featuretablets (simple smartphones and
tablet computers) should be useable
with a ZUI and are available for
around 30 U.S. Dollar already.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Have fun<br>
Christian Stroetmann<br>
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[1] Wikipedia, ZUI <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface"
target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface</a><br>
[2] Wikipedia, Prezi <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prezi"
target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prezi</a><br>
[3] Wikipedia, Rehabilitation Act of <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://1973en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Rehabilitation_Act"
target="_blank">1973en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Rehabilitation_Act</a><br>
[4] Wikipedia, Section 508 of the
Rehabilitation Act <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_508_of_the_Rehabilitation_Act"
target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_508_of_the_Rehabilitation_Act</a><br>
[5] Eagle Mode <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eaglemode.sourceforge.net"
target="_blank">eaglemode.sourceforge.net</a><br>
[6] Eagle Mode, Project Philosoophy <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eaglemode.sourceforge.net/philosophy.html"
target="_blank">eaglemode.sourceforge.net/philosophy.html</a><br>
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