<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> On Sun, 02.03.2014 16:12, I wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:53134A45.1020801@ontolab.com" type="cite">On Sun, 02.March.2014 15:57, imm wrote: <blockquote type="cite">I wonder who is off-topic here? I doubt that it is Martin, since he has demonstrated many times, in practical ways, his commitment to the project. </blockquote> I am sorry to say, but here you are off-topic as well. <blockquote type="cite"> The OP's suggestion of re-purposing Sugar for use with elderly users or the less technically literate is neither new, original or innovative. It has been discussed many times, all the way back to times before sugarlabs became separate from olpc. I certainly recall olpc saying at the time it was not their primary focus so they were not pursuing it, but nevertheless it clearly was a concept that already existed back then. So the OP's suggestion that the idea is original seems disingenuous, since it clearly is not. </blockquote> Thank you very much for this interesting information. I never heard or read something in this respect since N. Negroponte announced the One Laptop Per Child project around the year 2005 and perhaps before, neither on the websites of the OLPC and Sugar Labs, on the websites of the MediaLab, nor in the public media, the magazine Technology Review of the MIT, and so on. Could you please sent a link or links, so that I can reference the original work correctly? Are there other persons, who know about it and can help with links? Sent from my iB@d (intelligent Box at domicile) Have fun Christian Stroetmann <blockquote type="cite">-- Sent, perhaps surprisingly, from my Fairphone FP1 Christian Stroetmann <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stroetmann@ontolab.com"><stroetmann@ontolab.com></a> wrote: <blockquote type="cite">>Hello Martin > >My friend, how are you doing? > >Please, could you sent e-mails that are on-topic, because other persons >on this mailing list already have complained several times about the >point with the legal issues? > >Besides this, I already answered to your points in the e-mails, I have >sent to Paul Greenfield in the thread B2G on x86 and Pau Fox in this >thread before. > > > >Christian > <blockquote type="cite">>> On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Christian Stroetmann >> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stroetmann@ontolab.com"><stroetmann@ontolab.com></a> wrote: <blockquote type="cite">>>> Yes indeed we have created a new concept that is basically the >>> transformation of the Sugar learning environment developed solely for very </blockquote> >> If all you have is a concept, and you are trying to register >> trademarks based on the work of Sugar and OLPC communities, that's not >> going to get you any friends in these lists. >> >> >> >> m </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> I looked around a little and could find the following only: 1. The reports in the media are about the disruptive nature of the Sugar GUI in general and always connected it with children. For sure, it is also written that Sugar can be used by adults as well. In this conjunction a global desktop by a software company was named sometimes (see for example [1]). 2. The informations on the webpage Interface of the website of OLPC ([2]) says: "Beginning with Seymour Papert's simple observation that children are knowledge workers like any adult, only more so, we decided they needed a user-interface tailored to their specific type of knowledge work: learning." 3. On the webpage Sugar of the Wikipedia [3] the first content added on the 22nd of July 2006 at 03:00 was: "Sugar is the graphical interface being developed in 2006<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006" title="2006"></a> for One Laptop per Child's $100 laptop project." 4. Also, on the website of the company Pentagram no such informations could be found [4] as the OP claimed for. Maybe reports as mentioned in point 1. give the suggestions that Sugar could be used by elderly persons as well and hence the OP confused it somehow. Hopefully, somebody is able to deliver related links with the OP's testimony. Have fun Christina Stroetmann [1] Technology Tell, OLPC unveils "Sugar" GUI, designed specifically for children <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.technologytell.com/gadgets/24336/olpc-unveils-sugar-gui-designed-specifically-for-children/">www.technologytell.com/gadgets/24336/olpc-unveils-sugar-gui-designed-specifically-for-children/</a> [2] One Laptop per Child, Laptop Interface <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/interface/">www.laptop.org/en/laptop/interface/</a> [3] Wikipedia, Sugar (software) en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sugar_%28software%29&oldid=65145952 [4] Pentagram, New at Pentagram new.pentagram.com/2006/12/new-work-one-laptop-per-child/ </body> </html>