<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Christian,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Zoom metaphor was in Sugar from day one [1]</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Maybe you can make a concrete feature proposal to help us understand</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">what are you proposing?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">You can read about our Features policy [2] <br>and see how the Features are proposed, like in this example [3]<br>
More examples here [4] and here [5]<br><br>Gonzalo<br><br>[1] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/Zoom_Metaphor">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/Zoom_Metaphor</a></div>
<div>[2] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy</a><br>[3] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/AboutMe">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/AboutMe</a></div>
<div>[4] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Feature_Landed">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Feature_Landed</a></div><div>[5] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Christian Stroetmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stroetmann@ontolab.com" target="_blank">stroetmann@ontolab.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi again<br>
<br>
And here is a collaborative story authoring tool for children called
KidPad ([1]) based on ZUI and related with Pad++. It is based on
Jazz respectively Piccolo ([2]; unmantained website), which has as
successor Piccolo2 ([3]; use this website for more software
technical informations). Said this, the general concept to use a ZUI
for eductional software is not so new.<br>
<br>
I also looked at the Sugar framework again in relation with a
potential prototyp of Sugar+ZUI. At least two options exist:<br>
1. Put ZUI into a Linux kernel.<br>
Pro: In this way Sugar developers could decide if they want to use
it or not. This might also have advantages with the overall
perforamance<br>
Contra: There are X11, D-Bus and Gnome dependancies.<br>
Personally, I prefer Wayland instead of X11 but this is another
Sugar enhancement.<br>
2. Put ZUI into the Glucose layer.<br>
Pro: ?<br>
Contra: Binds ZUI to Python or/and JavaSript.<br>
Personally, I prefer my Boot to WebCore with C++Core, but this is
another Sugar story.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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[1] KidPad <a href="http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/kiddesign/kidpad.shtml" target="_blank">www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/kiddesign/kidpad.shtml</a><br>
[2] Jazz and Piccolo <a href="http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/jazz/" target="_blank">www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/jazz/</a><br>
[3] Piccolo2 <a href="http://www.piccolo2d.org" target="_blank">www.piccolo2d.org</a><div><div class="h5"><br>
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Hi again<br>
<br>
I forget to say something to your question related with the
educational technology.<br>
<br>
Firstly, I found the following statements on the webpage "What is
Sugar?" in the section "About the Sugar Learning Platform" of
Sugar ([1]) that says:<br>
" It is easy to approach and yet it doesn't put an upper bound on
personal expression; one can peel away layers and go deeper and
deeper, with no restrictions." and<br>
"[...] in whatever realm the learner is exploring [...] they are
able to drill deeper; they are not going to hit a wall, since they
can, at every level, engage in debugging both their personal
expression and the very tools that they use for that expression."<br>
<br>
Hence, Sugar+ZUI supports the learning even with the related UI
paradigm that reflects the general computer desktop metaphor as
well as the 3rd characteristical attribute of Sugar.<br>
<br>
Secondly, if the U.S. government supports this ZUI based Prezi
software as part of a billion U.S. Dollar donation even if it does
not comply with ADA and 508 actually, then there must be a very
strong reason to include a ZUI based application in a framework of
educational software. Sadly to say, I do not know the true reason
actually, but my instinct gives me a very clear hint. For sure, I
do know that these might not be convicting arguments.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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[1] Sugar, What is Sugar?, About the Sugar Learning Plattform
<a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/What_is_Sugar" target="_blank">wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/What_is_Sugar</a><br>
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Hi Sam<br>
<br>
Basically, I find this ZUI concept as attractive as the
multi-touchscreen and the mind mapping approach.<br>
<br>
Also, the foundational hierachical structure of Sugar with the
views you mentioned fits perfectly with a ZUI.<br>
The problem I have seen is that the screen gets more and more
crowded with icons when Sugar is used and collaborations are
made. Also, specific applications like the Journal suffer from
this problem respectively allow to present only a small list of
documents and activities at once. In this relation, I refer to
some screenshots that I have seen on the Sugar Labs website. A
solution to this problem is a ZUI functionality.<br>
Even better, due to the simple GUI metaphor of Sugar
deliberately designed for children, Sugar+ZUI should already run
smoothly when a user zooms in an out with actual hardware.<br>
<br>
The actual plan is to try to implement a prototyp of Sugar+ZUI,
though until now it is just a concept and a plan, and I wanted
to ask the other developers at first, if they are interested and
if it is worth to go in this direction at all.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Totally forgot to reply all xD</p>
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Parkinson" <<a href="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com" target="_blank">sam.parkinson3@gmail.com</a>>
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<p dir="ltr">Hi,</p>
<p dir="ltr">In sugar we currently have 'the views'. I
think the vid on our site shows that.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The whole zui thing does look cool, but
besides prezi I cannot see any clear use cases in edu
tech. What do you have in mind?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sam</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 1, 2014 9:04 PM,
"Christian Stroetmann" <<a href="mailto:stroetmann@ontolab.com" target="_blank">stroetmann@ontolab.com</a>>
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Aloha<br>
<br>
Since many years now I am looking at Sugar and the
underlying basic software technologies. Besides this,
I am also interested in the specific field of
Graphical User Interfaces (GUI).<br>
<br>
In this relation, I would like to present a concept
that is an extension of the general GUI approach of
the Sugar learning software with a Zooming User
Interface (ZUI; [1]).<br>
<br>
One inspiring moment was that recently the
U.S.American government together with companiens like
Adobe, Prezi, Microsoft and Apple announced to make
software donationsto schools (related reports can be
find in the web easily).<br>
One specific software is Prezi ([2]) that is developed
in Adobe Flash and Adobe AIR, and built on top of
Django (Python web framework). Surprisingly, Prezi is
not compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act
(ADA) and Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act ([3]
and [4])but used in education (see again [2]).<br>
<br>
I looked around and found the software Eagle Mode
([5]; for a first impression see the videos on its
website diretly).<br>
<br>
Said this, I simply counted 1+1, Sugar+ZUI and
Sugar+Eagle.<br>
<br>
Such an UI approach has advantages and disadvantages
that are discussed shortly on the website of Eagle
Mode (see [6]). The point with the hardware
requirements seems not to be relevant, because for
example the hardware of the latest featurephones and
featuretablets (simple smartphones and tablet
computers) should be useable with a ZUI and are
available for around 30 U.S. Dollar already.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Have fun<br>
Christian Stroetmann<br>
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[1] Wikipedia, ZUI <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface" target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface</a><br>
[2] Wikipedia, Prezi <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prezi" target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prezi</a><br>
[3] Wikipedia, Rehabilitation Act of <a href="http://1973en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Rehabilitation_Act" target="_blank">1973en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Rehabilitation_Act</a><br>
[4] Wikipedia, Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_508_of_the_Rehabilitation_Act" target="_blank">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_508_of_the_Rehabilitation_Act</a><br>
[5] Eagle Mode <a href="http://eaglemode.sourceforge.net" target="_blank">eaglemode.sourceforge.net</a><br>
[6] Eagle Mode, Project Philosoophy <a href="http://eaglemode.sourceforge.net/philosophy.html" target="_blank">eaglemode.sourceforge.net/philosophy.html</a><br>
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