<div dir="ltr">Flavio,<div><br></div><div>Ok, is not a patch, is a entire repository.</div><div><br></div><div>Sadly, for me is impossible get from there what are the changes needed to make TamTam work </div><div>in every hardware, or what changes are useful upstream.</div> <div><br></div><div>Is bad, because you worked a lot, and that is the only I wanted to say.</div><div><br></div><div>Is nothing personal, just check how small are the patches I have sent this week, </div><div>and how were reviewed in github.</div> <div><br></div><div>Gonzalo</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Flavio Danesse <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fdanesse@activitycentral.com" target="_blank">fdanesse@activitycentral.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Sorry to put me back, but to bring a little clarity on TamTam:</div><div><br></div><div>Do not say that the patch is huge because I never send a patch for this just to avoid giving this discussion which does not yield as well.</div> <div><br></div><div>If you look at my first mail on the subject I told him what I had done and posted where it was in case anyone wanted to look at, but never sent any patch. So, please do not complain about a patch that does not exist.</div> <div><br></div><div>I also said that because I never had previous patches approved on the same modifications to the application, which in each new version I had to return them.</div><div><br></div><div>But anyway, my intention was to improve the application, not provoke discussions.</div> <div>I believe Nothing more TamTam theme, let the official repository as it is now and the end of the topic.</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/11/18 Daniel Narvaez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwnarvaez@gmail.com" target="_blank">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>></span><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>David,<br><br></div>if you want to make a fair comparison, you need to take in account what was submitted!<br> <br>Try to submit six copies of the same codebase (instead of a patch) to any other free software project on heart. I bet our reaction will compare *very* favourably in friendliness.<br> <br></div>Seriously, stop thinking you are being treaten unfairly. You are not.<br><br></div>We appreciate ActivityCentral effort to work upstream, just keep it up and give us a chance.<br><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div><div> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 November 2013 23:07, David Farning <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dfarning@activitycentral.com" target="_blank">dfarning@activitycentral.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Did anyone else notice a difference in how this Activity and Pippy were handled?<br> <br> With pippy the maintainers quickly responded with "Cool someone else<br> wants to add value to the project. Here are my notes. Good luck."<br> <br> With TamTam the maintainer responded with "My way or the highway."<br> <div><div><br> <br> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Daniel Narvaez <<a href="mailto:dwnarvaez@gmail.com" target="_blank">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > Also note that we don't necessarily need to fix the code ourselves, good<br> > profiling data is often acted on by lower level libraries maintainers. The<br> > default strategy is to pretend it's higher level code fault of course, but<br> > issues can't be denied or ignored when proven by numbers and test cases :P<br> ><br> ><br> > On Monday, 18 November 2013, Daniel Narvaez wrote:<br> >><br> >> And we can tackle lower level stuff... It's free and open code too! :)<br> >><br> >> On Monday, 18 November 2013, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:<br> >>><br> >>> There are some ow level stuff, but we can solve some problems in the<br> >>> activities too.<br> >>> You can see the other thread I started about performance.<br> >>> Also, dsd solved some of the problems related with the dynamic bindings.<br> >>><br> >>> Gonzalo<br> >>><br> >>><br> >>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Sebastian Silva<br> >>> <<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>> wrote:<br> >>>><br> >>>> El 17/11/13 12:58, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:<br> >>>><br> >>>> I hope we can solve the performance problems then you don't need use a<br> >>>> old Sugar version,<br> >>>> to avoid all these problems.<br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> Well, I don't think it's likely you or me will be able to fix this one.<br> >>>> It's lower level than Python<br> >>>> and it looks to be by design of the lower level libraries.<br> >>>><br> >>>> Note this mainly affects the XO1 which is already considered End Of<br> >>>> Life. I think efforts are<br> >>>> much more productive in trying to make the GNU+Sugar user experience<br> >>>> excellent on<br> >>>> Classmates and other netbooks.<br> >>>><br> >>>> BTW, we are not the only ones affected. The entire LXDE desktop<br> >>>> environment has decided<br> >>>> to forego migrating to GTK3 and instead decided to port everything to<br> >>>> QT.<br> >>>><br> >>>> Here's a quote from the initial release of the QT file manager PCManFM<br> >>>> [1]:<br> >>>> "I, however, need to admit that working with Qt/C++ is much more<br> >>>> pleasant and productive than messing with C/GObject/GTK+.<br> >>>> Since GTK+ 3 breaks backward compatibility a lot and it becomes more<br> >>>> memory hungry and slower, I don’t see much advantage of GTK+ now. GTK+ 2 is<br> >>>> lighter, but it’s no longer true for GTK+ 3. Ironically, fixing all of the<br> >>>> broken compatibility is even harder than porting to Qt in some cases<br> >>>> (PCManFM IMO is one of them).<br> >>>> So If someone is starting a whole new project and is thinking about what<br> >>>> GUI toolkit to use, personally I might recommend Qt if you’re not targeting<br> >>>> Gnome 3."<br> >>>><br> >>>> [1] <a href="http://blog.lxde.org/?p=990" target="_blank">http://blog.lxde.org/?p=990</a><br> >>><br> >>><br> >><br> >><br> >> --<br> >> Daniel Narvaez<br> >><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > Daniel Narvaez<br> ><br> ><br> </div></div><div>> _______________________________________________<br> > Sugar-devel mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a><br> ><br> <br> <br> <br> </div><div><div>--<br> David Farning<br> Activity Central: <a href="http://www.activitycentral.com" target="_blank">http://www.activitycentral.com</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><span><font color="#888888">-- <br>Daniel Narvaez<br> </font></span></div> </blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>