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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
      I think it's wrong to bump "marketing" version numbers on acount
      of technology shifts.<br>
      I don't see how i'ts relevant for users that we switched to GTK3,
      or even that it is now<br>
      possible to build "native" web activities (it was always possible
      with a wrapper).<br>
      <br>
      I see as a much more interesting development, the sudden
      appearance in Sugar of<br>
      user-customizable bits, which have been developed by kids. The
      ability to customize<br>
      Sugar has been desired by users from the very beginning, and the
      "freestyle" homeview<br>
      was not sufficient. Kids would even use ASCII art on the nickname
      to personalize their<br>
      "desktop", sorry "learning environment".<br>
      <br>
      This is a fun pic:<br>
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      <br>
      So, maybe Sugar 3.100 is really "Your Sugar", or "Freedom Sugar"
      or "Personal Sugar".<br>
      Extra points to put the Freedom back in the priorities.<br>
      <br>
      Just a little humble opinion,<br>
      <br>
      Regards,<br>
      Sebastian<br>
      <br>
      El 08/11/13 07:29, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I also think w should change the major number when
        we have something different to show (when we achieved the goal)
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        <div>Gonzalo</div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Daniel Narvaez <span
            dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:dwnarvaez@gmail.com" target="_blank">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            Thanks, I now see where I was confused... Normally in
            developer versioning you bump the major number when you
            achieved a certain goal (say have an Online experience you
            can be proud of). Here we are bumping when starting to work
            towards the goal instead. I don't see that as an issue, just
            need to be clear about it.
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            <div>So the proposal for next release is version 3.102.
              Thoughts? Is the rationale clear? Anyone unhappy with it?
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                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <div><br>
                    On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Sean DALY wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Daniel - if we can work out where SL is
                          going, we can build a PR story. If we aren't
                          sure, it's better to communicate other aspects
                          (TA Days, Google Code-In, the TripAdvisor
                          grant).</div>
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                        I like v3 as a major version, step versions
                        could be called 3.102, 3.103, 3.104 by
                        developers, while marketing would call it 3 and
                        a name. If we are lucky and the name ("Online",
                        "Touch", "Hand", "Cloud", or whatever - this
                        needs work) catches on, we can keep it through
                        step versions.
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                        </div>
                        <div>It's important to understand that in the
                          complete absence of a marketing/promotion
                          budget (with the exception of the newswire
                          10-pack which was voted by the SLOBs),
                          effective PR is our chief resource-effective
                          way to build awareness. This means we tell
                          news based on the possibility of press
                          coverage, not automatically every time there
                          is a version.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>102 can become v3.102 and we can announce
                          the html/javascript browser approach, ideally
                          associated with a method for teachers to try
                          Sugar - SoaS with extra teacher-friendly bits,
                          or VMs. If that is too ambitious, the v3
                          marketing push could wait until 3.104. Sugar
                          brand awareness is on the nonexistent end of
                          the scale for our ten million teachers, this
                          means we can set the schedule. It's harder
                          when there is buzz and momentum, a situation
                          we had after SoaS v1 Strawberry.</div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>Sean.</div>
                        <div><br>
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                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at
                          10:53 PM, Daniel Narvaez <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                            style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                            #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I agree with
                            you about major.minor, with major being the
                            marketing version and minor the developers
                            one. Did I get that right? Does anyone
                            disagree?
                            <div>
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                            <div>What I'm not sure to understand is
                              which major number you would like to be
                              used for the next release. To make it
                              easier let's say we are currently v2 as
                              Yioryos suggested. My understanding is
                              that</div>
                            <div><br>
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                            <div>* If it's a release we can PR,
                              developers will call it 3.102, marketing 3
                               + some name.</div>
                            <div>* if we cannot PR it, developers will
                              call it 2.103, marketing... just won't
                              call it :)</div>
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                            <div>Is that correct?
                              <div>
                                <div><br>
                                  <br>
                                  On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Sean
                                  DALY wrote:<br>
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                                      cc'ing marketing for... a
                                      marketing issue
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                                      <div>Nope, the GTK3 change just
                                        passed under the radar. As
                                        stated previously I lobbied for
                                        a v1 six years ago which is why
                                        we are ready for a v2. Or even a
                                        v3.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>For building a PR story I can
                                        work with v2 or v3, just not v1.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>The issue with 2.2, 2.4 is
                                        that from a marketing
                                        perspective we get boxed into a
                                        major number step timeframe
                                        irrespective of marketing needs.
                                        A major number change should
                                        ideally happen when it's ready,
                                        or when we need to communicate a
                                        major shift. I still think
                                        associating the existing
                                        numbering behind a major number
                                        (e.g. 2.102) keeps continuity.
                                        PR will communicate the major
                                        number, probably with a name.
                                        And not an unmarketable obscure
                                        name, either.</div>
                                      <div><br>
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                                      <div>Sean</div>
                                      <div>Sugar Labs Marketing
                                        Coordinator</div>
                                      <div><br>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu,
                                        Nov 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Daniel
                                        Narvaez <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                          style="margin:0 0 0
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                                          solid;padding-left:1ex">Hmm I
                                          suppose the 1.x -> 2.x
                                          switch would have not made
                                          sense to marketing because
                                          there wasn't major user
                                          visible changes?
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                                              <br>
                                              On Thursday, 7 November
                                              2013, Yioryos
                                              Asprobounitis wrote:<br>
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                                                <br>
                                                For sugar developers
                                                their is certainly a
                                                continuation in
                                                development and the
                                                current numbering makes
                                                a lot of sense.<br>
                                                However, looking from
                                                outside 0.102 should be
                                                Sugar 3.x where  1.x is
                                                the original, 2.x is the
                                                Gtk3/introspection move
                                                and now the html5/jc
                                                (online/ultrabook/tablet)
                                                version. <br>
                                                If you actually consider
                                                0.100 as 3.0 then it can
                                                go 3.2, 3.4 etc to keep
                                                up with current
                                                numbering.<br>
                                                Should make marketing
                                                happy with minimal
                                                disruption.<br>
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