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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
I think it's wrong to bump "marketing" version numbers on acount
of technology shifts.<br>
I don't see how i'ts relevant for users that we switched to GTK3,
or even that it is now<br>
possible to build "native" web activities (it was always possible
with a wrapper).<br>
<br>
I see as a much more interesting development, the sudden
appearance in Sugar of<br>
user-customizable bits, which have been developed by kids. The
ability to customize<br>
Sugar has been desired by users from the very beginning, and the
"freestyle" homeview<br>
was not sufficient. Kids would even use ASCII art on the nickname
to personalize their<br>
"desktop", sorry "learning environment".<br>
<br>
This is a fun pic:<br>
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<br>
So, maybe Sugar 3.100 is really "Your Sugar", or "Freedom Sugar"
or "Personal Sugar".<br>
Extra points to put the Freedom back in the priorities.<br>
<br>
Just a little humble opinion,<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Sebastian<br>
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El 08/11/13 07:29, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I also think w should change the major number when
we have something different to show (when we achieved the goal)
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<div>Gonzalo</div>
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On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Daniel Narvaez <span
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Thanks, I now see where I was confused... Normally in
developer versioning you bump the major number when you
achieved a certain goal (say have an Online experience you
can be proud of). Here we are bumping when starting to work
towards the goal instead. I don't see that as an issue, just
need to be clear about it.
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<div>So the proposal for next release is version 3.102.
Thoughts? Is the rationale clear? Anyone unhappy with it?
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On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Sean DALY wrote:<br>
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<div>Daniel - if we can work out where SL is
going, we can build a PR story. If we aren't
sure, it's better to communicate other aspects
(TA Days, Google Code-In, the TripAdvisor
grant).</div>
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I like v3 as a major version, step versions
could be called 3.102, 3.103, 3.104 by
developers, while marketing would call it 3 and
a name. If we are lucky and the name ("Online",
"Touch", "Hand", "Cloud", or whatever - this
needs work) catches on, we can keep it through
step versions.
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<div>It's important to understand that in the
complete absence of a marketing/promotion
budget (with the exception of the newswire
10-pack which was voted by the SLOBs),
effective PR is our chief resource-effective
way to build awareness. This means we tell
news based on the possibility of press
coverage, not automatically every time there
is a version.</div>
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<div>102 can become v3.102 and we can announce
the html/javascript browser approach, ideally
associated with a method for teachers to try
Sugar - SoaS with extra teacher-friendly bits,
or VMs. If that is too ambitious, the v3
marketing push could wait until 3.104. Sugar
brand awareness is on the nonexistent end of
the scale for our ten million teachers, this
means we can set the schedule. It's harder
when there is buzz and momentum, a situation
we had after SoaS v1 Strawberry.</div>
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<div>Sean.</div>
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10:53 PM, Daniel Narvaez <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I agree with
you about major.minor, with major being the
marketing version and minor the developers
one. Did I get that right? Does anyone
disagree?
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<div>What I'm not sure to understand is
which major number you would like to be
used for the next release. To make it
easier let's say we are currently v2 as
Yioryos suggested. My understanding is
that</div>
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<div>* If it's a release we can PR,
developers will call it 3.102, marketing 3
+ some name.</div>
<div>* if we cannot PR it, developers will
call it 2.103, marketing... just won't
call it :)</div>
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<div>Is that correct?
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On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Sean
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cc'ing marketing for... a
marketing issue
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<div>Nope, the GTK3 change just
passed under the radar. As
stated previously I lobbied for
a v1 six years ago which is why
we are ready for a v2. Or even a
v3.</div>
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<div>For building a PR story I can
work with v2 or v3, just not v1.</div>
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<div>The issue with 2.2, 2.4 is
that from a marketing
perspective we get boxed into a
major number step timeframe
irrespective of marketing needs.
A major number change should
ideally happen when it's ready,
or when we need to communicate a
major shift. I still think
associating the existing
numbering behind a major number
(e.g. 2.102) keeps continuity.
PR will communicate the major
number, probably with a name.
And not an unmarketable obscure
name, either.</div>
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<div>Sean</div>
<div>Sugar Labs Marketing
Coordinator</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu,
Nov 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Daniel
Narvaez <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">Hmm I
suppose the 1.x -> 2.x
switch would have not made
sense to marketing because
there wasn't major user
visible changes?
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2013, Yioryos
Asprobounitis wrote:<br>
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For sugar developers
their is certainly a
continuation in
development and the
current numbering makes
a lot of sense.<br>
However, looking from
outside 0.102 should be
Sugar 3.x where 1.x is
the original, 2.x is the
Gtk3/introspection move
and now the html5/jc
(online/ultrabook/tablet)
version. <br>
If you actually consider
0.100 as 3.0 then it can
go 3.2, 3.4 etc to keep
up with current
numbering.<br>
Should make marketing
happy with minimal
disruption.<br>
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