Yes with dependencies I also meant the version of them (for API incompatible versions at least). I'm all for getting concrete :) On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Daniel Narvaez <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'dwnarvaez@gmail.com')">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > Re library versions, that reminds of a point I should have put in my list... > > I think now that the gobject introspection migration is over upstream can > become more conservative about library versions. That should help both > distributors and developers. We are already going in that direction really. > If we add Webkit1 compatibility as discussed, I think 0.102 might have > pretty much the same dependencies of 0.98. The only exception is libxkb if I > remember correctly, for which introspection was really broken. In addition to dependencies there can be issues with versions of dependencies. Within the next couple of week we should see these fixes flow upstream. So we can start talking about concrete issues and examples rather than abstract notions. I think that will help clarify the discussion. AC's challenge was to quietly get a proof of concept in place which adds value to deployments before suggesting making changes to upstream. Now, AC has to clean up and abstract the proof of concept work to prepare it for acceptance upstream. > On Thursday, 7 November 2013, David Farning wrote: >> >> I agree :) >> >> Right now, we are sitting back and seeing what roll OLPC-Australia is >> going to play in the ecosystem. The One Education distribution out of >> Australia is a combination of Dextrose, Sugar .100 and some custom >> patches. My semi-informed guess is that Walter and Rangan ( >> <a href="https://www.laptop.org.au/about" target="_blank">https://www.laptop.org.au/about</a> ) are going to position One Education >> as the successor to OLPC-OS. I hope that we will learn more at about >> their plans at basecamp. ( <a href="http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://olpcbasecamp.blogspot.com/</a> ) This >> would take care or the leading edge on Fedora. >> >> On the Ubuntu side we have a bit of a challenge balancing bleeding >> edge and stability. Sugar and Fedora tend to run a bit ahead of Debian >> and Ubuntu in library versions. It take a significant amount of effort >> to backport the necessary libraries to Ubuntu LTS. For this release we >> agreed that the proper balance of innovation and stability was Sugar >> .98 on Ubuntu 12.04. The next decision point will be which version of >> Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014. >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez <<a>dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>> >> wrote: >> > Cool stuff. >> > >> > As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar >> > (stable >> > and unstable) releases. I'm not saying to ship those to deployments of >> > course, but they would help upstream development, marketing and >> > testing... >> > And they would help AC to make the transition to the next sugar release >> > smoother. >> > >> > On 7 November 2013 02:05, David Farning <<a>dfarning@activitycentral.com</a>> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Please see the link at the bottom left of <a href="http://dextrose.ac/platform/" target="_blank">http://dextrose.ac/platform/</a> >> >> for the Sugar on Ubuntu images which Activity Central and Plan Ceibal >> >> are jointly developing. >> >> >> >> For stability it is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and Sugar .98. The testing >> >> is done on classmate to meet Plan Ceibal's specifications. I should >> >> work equally well on any machine that boots Ubuntu. >> >> >> >> It is currently is small scale testing by a couple hundred teachers. >> >> When the image meets Ceibal's quality standards the pilot will scale >> >> to approximately 10,000 units for wider testing. >> >> >> >> For more information, I have CC Anish Mangal, the project owner (agile >> >> speak) and Ruben Rodriguez the lead developer. Ruben has the strongest >> >> back ground on the technical issues involved in the port. Anish has >> >> the deepest understanding of timelines and objectives. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Daniel Narvaez <<a>dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>> >> >> wrote: >> >> > On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones <<a>manuq@laptop.org</a>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I >> >> >> > don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB. >> >> >> >> >> >> Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay for >> >> >> example. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > You mean people are using them in Uruguay deployments? Which distro? >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> > <a>Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> >> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank"></a></blockquote> -- Daniel Narvaez