Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow with Fedora is that we don't have a good way to develop unstable Sugar on a stable Fedora. Rawhide is, or at least is perceived as, unstable. And I'm not sure what would be a good way to, for example, produce and distribute 0.100 rpms for Fedora 19. We can setup our custom automated build system and repository of course, but I'm not sure that's a good approach? Part of the problem here is that upstream tends to depend strongly on very recent libraries which are not yet available in the stable fedora, though maybe now that the gi conversion is over we can avoid that. On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Walter Bender <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'walter.bender@gmail.com')">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'dwnarvaez@gmail.com')">dwnarvaez@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> On 4 November 2013 22:53, Sean DALY <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'sdaly.be@gmail.com')">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>> >>> * It's not clear to me where we are going. The OLPC/Sugar development >>> ecosystem seems to be at a crossroads. I am encouraged by the web activity >>> work, but don't understand the path of transposing the value proposition of >>> Sugar (interface, Journal, collaboration, Activities) to handheld tactile >>> devices (tablets to smartphones). PCs (of any size) with keyboards are no >>> longer competitive with tablets for grade-school classroom use. Perhaps the >>> XO-4 could still be in the running; there is no clear message from OLPC. >> >> >> >> I'll try to express briefly my feelings about the directions the project >> could take. Note that I might be missing a lot of what is going on above the >> technical level. >> >> * The XO is not a viable hardware platform other than for existing >> deployments. OLPC is pretty clearly going in a different direction. > > I may be alone in thinking that there will be some runway left with > the XO. But deployments need alternatives regardless. > >> * Sugar web activities on the top of a full Android loses too much of the >> Sugar value proposition. It's great to have it in addition to Sugar-the-OS, >> but it's not enough alone. > > I agree. > >> * From the technical point of view there are several ways to get >> Sugar-the-OS running on tactile devices. Unfortunately it's not clear to me >> that any of these devices is open enough to be viable for deployments or >> "ordinary" users. > > We looked at ChromeOS a few years back, but at the time it was too > heavy for our hardware. Today, it is a different story. Might be a > viable option. Certainly running GNU/Linux/Sugar on a ChromeBook is > not a bad starting point. Given that ChromeOS is locked down I don't believe it's viable to ask a School to have to break/hack the HW to get it working OOTB. Having been involved in the OLPC OS side of things I believe you would be much better taking the work done by OLPC with things like olpc-os-builder and the work upstream with Fedora to use it to build out OS images that will work in a similar way across both XOs and other HW be it x86 netbook or cheap ARM devices rather than reinventing the wheel! Peter </blockquote> -- Daniel Narvaez