<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Sebastian Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">El 17/10/13 07:19, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:<div class="im"> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> > Any suggestions for a better process are welcome<br> <br> Do not update a entire country to a sugar version 2 years old?<br> <br> Gonzalo<br> </blockquote></div> As a person who enjoys development, I really do empathize with your frustration when your work takes 2 years to reach end users.<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Good, I know we are in the same side. I am not only frustrated because our users don't see the result of our work,</div><div>I am also worried because we really don't have the resources to maintain multiple versions.</div> <div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> However in this case, we need the best possible version targetting mainly XO1. From all the experience I've had and gathered from others, it seems the operating system got heavier and slower because of core components getting updated, including especially GTK3, but not only. This may not be an issue with XO1.5 or superior. Since the main feature gained is touchscreen compatibility (irrelevant here), I just can't justify to change base at this late stage of development.<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's true. When we started the port to GTK3, the theory said we will have a better performance,</div><div>but the real numbers were different. Now, in my view would be better try solve the performance issues</div> <div>we have (like Daniel Drake started to do) than keep a old version. Anyway, I don't know if we would </div><div>be able to solve all the performance problems.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> Even though we, SomosAzúcar, as a local Sugar Labs community group, launched this project at Sugar Camp Lima 2011, recently it has become partially sponsored by the Ministry of Education in the form of contracting with me to work on parts of it. So to reflect this role in the ecosystem, we prefer the term "contributor" in addition to volunteer. This also reflects the fact that our team does require some resources to be able to continue, but more to the point, that in this matter you can consider me an agent of the Ministry of Education of Peru (a customer of ~840.000 XO laptops), officially requesting technical support. I do like to keep communications public, but let me know if I should use a different channel for this.<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>May be, you can get some founds from the Ministry, a customer of ~840.000 XO laptops, </div><div>to solve the performance problems. In return, they will have the last activity versions, web activities,</div> <div>and all the features in sugar 0.96, 0.98 and 0.100.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> In any case the main focus of this community project to upgrade the operating system has been the Sugar Network which is a de-centralized distribution and support network for end users. Have you tried it? In our view it will help to diminish the gap between developers and users and provide a means to obtain feedback from the field. This, in my humble opinion, is something that is really needed, particularly in contries with poor connectivity like Peru. Sugar Network is independent of Sugar version and eventually, when we are finished with this version, we will shift focus to newer Sugar that should run in other computers such as the XO4 or anything else that is faster than XO1. Believe me, I'm already excited about the possibilities beyond this point!<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I have tried to follow the development, but there are parts I don't understand. May be have sense in the context,</div><div>and I don't know all the situation.</div><div><br></div> <div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> I hope I've answered your question to your satisfaction, and expressed my commitment to build a solid solution for our children, with your help. And I will need it because I will also need GTK2 releases with updated translations of, at least, Terminal, Write, Read, Chart, Implode, Paint and Jukebox. I take the opportunity to ask, what would be the way most likely to succeed, send patches here, create merge requests in gitorious, or something else? And then, politely ask for mantainers to release to ASLO? Maybe this is the kind of thing the Activity Team was meant to help with?<br> <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Here we return to my first point. This will be a big amount of work for the community. Of course, we can give you access to the repositories, you can work in a branch, and we can figure out a way to solve the ASLO problem. But all this mean the resources in the community are divided and that hurt the project. Instead of working you and the people of Peru, the AC guys, and the people in master working together, we are working in 3 different versions.</div> <div>I know we don't live in a ideal world, and there are times where we need solve a problem _now_ and can't wait for the slow upstream process. But we should try hard, and work together.</div><div><br></div><div> Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Gonzalo <br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> Regards<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br> Sebastian<br> </font></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div>