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On 12/21/2011 07:58 AM, Samuel Klein wrote:
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cite="mid:CAAtU9WJmSTDqvbQJnSNXAXi6w4aiJJJg3pT2gL+kV1nwh5eHiw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">It makes Terminal appear as a "second-class activity"
when it should be a high-value first-class activity.<br>
<br>
<div>Using Terminal can be fun, useful, illuminating. It is the
ony activity we offer to really get a sense of how your computer
works. </div>
<div>And it is not just for diagnostics or advanced uses. A
number of basic scripts or instructions about how to use or
customize the XO require the Terminal.
<div><br>
</div>
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This may be an answer:<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#introduction_to_the_sugar_interface_.28CD.iso.29">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#introduction_to_the_sugar_interface_.28CD.iso.29</a><br>
<blockquote>It is a download-able (7.4M) CD.iso file. <br>
<br>
Contains a .html of the Floss Manual "Terminal." <br>
<br>
This is a useful set of wiki pages that teach the basic operations
of the Sugar-desktop <br>
Intended to be used ala "sneakernet" with no internet connection
via a USB-stick
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Browse/Surf-115 in SoaS and the XO-1 will not open the
accompanying folder containing the files for the .html.<br>
This results in a web page with no links or .png
screen-shots
<br>
Firefox-6.xo file needs to be installed for the .html to
work properly<br>
Firefox-6.xo is included on the .iso<br>
<blockquote>Note:Firefox-6.xo does not use or have sugar-journal
access.<br>
This means XO-1 security should not be compromised.<br>
Firefox-6.xo has been successfully tested on a G1G1 XO-1 running
os508dx - (Dextrose2) and opens these wiki pages easily.<br>
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<ul>
<li>Installation
</li>
</ul>
<dl>
<dd>This .iso is intended to be burned to a CD
</dd>
<dd>The CD can be used directly or
</dd>
<dd>copy/paste the contents of the CD to a USB-Stick
</dd>
<dd>Insert the USB stick in your XO-1 USB slot
</dd>
<dd>Drag drop the Firefox-6.xo file from the 2nd USB-stick to the
Journal - Install it
</dd>
</dl>
<ul>
<li>Contents:</li>
</ul>
<dl>
<dd>ReadMeFirst.txt </dd>
<dd>Firefox-6-xo - web browser
</dd>
<dd>Introduction_to_Sugar_Interface.html
</dd>
<dd>Connecting_to_the_Internet.html
</dd>
<dd>Drag-Drop.html
</dd>
<dd>How_to_use_IRC.html
</dd>
<dd>How_to_use_Chat.html
</dd>
<dd>Terminal.html - A downloaded .html from Floss <a
href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/terminal/Floss"
class="external text" rel="nofollow">Manuals</a>
</dd>
</dl>
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cite="mid:CAAtU9WJmSTDqvbQJnSNXAXi6w4aiJJJg3pT2gL+kV1nwh5eHiw@mail.gmail.com"
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<div>If the concern is that children might not be prepared to
use it, or might somehow 'misuse' it, it would be better to
provide more guidance and information with the activity [for
instance: ship Man pages, include a welcome message that
guides people to them, and to a txt version of "Intro to the
Command Line"]. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>As for Man pages -- We now have the space; is there any
reason not to ship them?</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161">http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161</a></div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640">http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640</a></div>
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<div>SJ</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM,
Thomas C Gilliard <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:satellit@bendbroadband.com" target="_blank">satellit@bendbroadband.com</a>></span>
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On 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Ok, returning to sugar-devel
because I did Reply instead of Reply to all :)<br>
<br>
Can you explain what is the use case of this
activity you are proposing?<br>
The terminal is ok, when you know what to do, is
waiting for you.<br>
Why do you think there are a wrong message here?<br>
<br>
Gonzalo<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at
7:15 PM, Samuel Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com"
target="_blank">meta.sj@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Then it makes
more sense to me to say "once you have learned
how to su olpc, you can use terminal to hack
your user experience" rather than "once you have
overcome an obfuscating element in Sugar, you
can use terminal-without-any-help to do things
you might still not understand".
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Add this link to Default.html? (the start page of
Browse):<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf"
target="_blank">http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf</a><br>
This would require using Sugar Clone<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone"
target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone</a>
<br>
to duplicate the live USB's<br>
<br>
Or make a Fedora Remix with the .pdf file on the Soas
live CD .iso<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora"
target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora</a><br>
<br>
The terminal-application goes to root with-out any
password on SoaS.<br>
I think this is why it is not selected as a favorite.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20,
2011 at 5:14 PM, Samuel Klein <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com"
target="_blank">meta.sj@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,
204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Why are
we judging that some people are 'not
ready' to use terminal? it's not as
though we hide the "delete activity"
menu option from people, for
instance. It seems to me to send
the wrong message.
<div> <br>
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<div>Better to have a terminal
replacement activity that </div>
<div>a) shows you clearly what user
you are logged in as (in the title
bar?)</div>
<div>b) by default launches you into
a new user account
("user:sandbox"?) that can easily
su to olpc... </div>
<div>c) offers some initial
welcome/guidance/help in exploring
the command line.
<div><br>
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<div>SJ
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:46
PM, Gonzalo Odiard <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gonzalo@laptop.org" target="_blank">gonzalo@laptop.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin: 0pt 0pt
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1px solid rgb(204, 204,
204); padding-left:
1ex;">If the user is
ready to use the
terminal, can go to the
list view and select as
a favorite, right?<br>
Is not hidden, only is
not selected as
favorite.<br>
<br>
Gonzalo<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Tue, Dec 20,
2011 at 3:37 PM,
Samuel Klein <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com" target="_blank">meta.sj@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Terminal is
currently hidden
by default on many
builds. How about
unhiding it or
replacing it with
an activity that
offers more of an
intro to the
command line?
<div> It is an
important tool
for
understanding
how your
computer works.</div>
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