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    On 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
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      type="cite">Ok, returning to sugar-devel because I did Reply
      instead of Reply to all :)<br>
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      Can you explain what is the use case of this activity you are
      proposing?<br>
      The terminal is ok, when you know what to do, is waiting for you.<br>
      Why do you think there are a wrong message here?<br>
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      Gonzalo<br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Samuel
        Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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          padding-left: 1ex;">Then it makes more sense to me to say
          "once you have learned how to su olpc, you can use terminal to
          hack your user experience" rather than "once you have overcome
          an obfuscating element in Sugar, you can use
          terminal-without-any-help to do things you might still not
          understand".
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    Add this link to Default.html? (the start page of Browse):<br>
 <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf">http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf</a><br>
    This would require using Sugar Clone<br>
     
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone</a>
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    to duplicate the live USB's<br>
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    Or make a Fedora Remix with the .pdf file on the Soas live CD .iso<br>
     <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora</a><br>
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    The terminal-application goes to root with-out any password on SoaS.<br>
    I think this is why it is not selected as a favorite.<br>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:14
                  PM, Samuel Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                    Why are we judging that some people are 'not ready'
                    to use terminal?  it's not as though we hide the
                    "delete activity" menu option from people, for
                    instance.  It seems to me to send the wrong message.
                     
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                    <div>Better to have a terminal replacement activity
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                    <div>a) shows you clearly what user you are logged
                      in as (in the title bar?)</div>
                    <div>b) by default launches you into a new user
                      account ("user:sandbox"?) that can easily su to
                      olpc... </div>
                    <div>c) offers some initial welcome/guidance/help in
                      exploring the command line.
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                      <div>SJ
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20,
                              2011 at 1:46 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              wrote:<br>
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                                border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,
                                204); padding-left: 1ex;">If the user is
                                ready to use the terminal, can go to the
                                list view and select as a favorite,
                                right?<br>
                                Is not hidden, only is not selected as
                                favorite.<br>
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                                Gonzalo<br>
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                                  <div>On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM,
                                    Samuel Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                    <div>Terminal is currently hidden by
                                      default on many builds.  How about
                                      unhiding it or replacing it with
                                      an activity that offers more of an
                                      intro to the command line?
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                                        It is an important tool for
                                        understanding how your computer
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