I too will test this weekend. Silly q: should I test both sugar and gnome, or just sugar? KG <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Paul Fox <<a href="mailto:pgf@laptop.org">pgf@laptop.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">bert wrote: > > On 24.11.2011, at 16:09, Paul Fox wrote: > > > bert wrote: > >> Today is a sunny day in cold Germany, unlike in the first half of the week. > So > >> I took the 1.75 outside. > >> > >> IMHO the auto-off is fine as implemented in os12. Not distracting at all. > >> Someone suggested turning it back on quicker, I tried that (replaced > >> brightness_ramp with set_brightness), but that was much less nice. > >> > >> As I said previously I like the new mono toggle using the brightness keys > with > >> ctrl. > >> > >> But I also like the switch to mono when turning the brightness down > manually. > >> Much more convenient (and way more discoverable) than having to remember the > >> ctrl-modifier. So I added those two lines back just as they were before, and > it > >> works fine. I would find it a foolish consistency to drop this just because > >> automatic switch-off doesn't do it. > > > > okay, sold. > > > > i did have a very brief chance to play with the laptop in the sun two > > days ago, and after trying more varied types of content, i better > > appreciate the value of mono mode. it's sunny here today, so i hope > > to get to play with it some more myself. > > > > i've implemented what a couple of people suggested for brightness key > > behavior: > > (haven't seen that yet in your git repo) </div></div>not pushed yet. <div class="im"> > > > - reducing brightness manually to level 0 remains colored (unlike > > past releases, where level 0 also implied mono). > > > > - hitting "brightness down" one more time when at level 0 will > > switch to mono. users that use auto-repeat to get there probably > > won't see a difference. > > Not needed, see below. > > > - alt-brightness-down goes to level-0 in mono mode, as it always did. > > i think it's a coin-toss whether it should go to level-0 in mono or > > level-0 in color. (thoughts?) > > Mono. </div>good. <div class="im"> > > > - "brightness up" from level 0 (whether from the color or mono > > version of level 0) will always go to level 1, and restore color. > > > > - sunlight-driven auto-turnoff will go all the way to 0, but won't > > invoke mono mode. > > > > bert, i think you approved of the idea of this scheme on irc, please let > > me know if you still think so. > > > > paul > > > I now think having two zero-brightness settings (crisp / blurred) > does not make sense for general usage. +1 to what Gary wrote in > his followup. > > For those who want to play with that we have ctrl-brightness-down/up to toggle > blurryness ;) > > So I would rather not add that extra step "below 0". </div>okay, i'm fine with that -- i was on the fence. but i think you and gary are saying two slightly different things. you're saying that the manual keypresses shouldn't have an intermediate "level 0 in color" step. gary's saying that auto-turnoff should go to level 0 in mono. i'm happy to agree with you. i don't think i'm ready to agree with gary. reason for not agreeing with gary: the switch from color to mono and back is very noticeable when you're in bright sunlight. the auto-turnoff should be designed to be as transparent to the user as possible. there will be times when the auto-turnoff won't do quite the right thing -- perhaps your hands are shading the sensor momentarily, or perhaps your laptop was sleeping when you came outside, and the auto-turnoff won't take effect until your first keystroke wakes it up. in those cases i think the auto-turnoff should stay in color mode. <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"> paul > > - Bert - > > _______________________________________________ > Devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:Devel@lists.laptop.org">Devel@lists.laptop.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel" target="_blank">http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel</a> =--------------------- paul fox, <a href="mailto:pgf@laptop.org">pgf@laptop.org</a> _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Devel@lists.laptop.org">Devel@lists.laptop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel" target="_blank">http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel</a> </div></div></blockquote></div>