<html> <head> <style></style> </head> <body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2">This was the comments from an Uruguayab teacher..</font><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); "><span title="Te cuento por qué es importante para las maestras tener la opción dentro del programa.">I tell you why it is important for teachers to have the option within the program.<br> </span><span title="Cuando el docente propone usarlo seguramente será para armar alguna secuencia de algo, el tener que cerrar el programa y abrirlo nuevamente para cada lámina creada, es un tanto engorroso, sobre todo con los niños de los primeros niveles (Inicial, 1º y 2º).">When the teacher proposes to use will likely be to put together a sequence of something, having to close the program and reopen it for every film set, is somewhat cumbersome, especially with children in the early stages (initial, 1 and 2).<br> </span><span title="Otra: resulta muy útil el archivo de imágenes de los sellos, sobre todo cuando hay dificultades de conexión para conseguirlas en internet, para ser utilizadas en creación de juegos de memoria,por ejemplo, y en cualquier otra propuesta en la que necesite imágenes, máxime">Other: is very useful image file of the seals, especially when there are difficult to get them on the internet connection to be used in creating games of memory, for example, and any other proposal in which images are needed, especially </span><span title="si tenemos en cuenta que muchas de estas son fotos.">if we consider that many of these are photos.<br> </span><span title="Otra ventaja: las láminas creadas quedan dentro del programa y con la opción abrir se pueden visualizar todas a la vez, lo que permite, rápidamente, eliminar las que no nos sirven.">Another advantage: the sheets are created within the program and open the option can be viewed all at once, allowing you to quickly eliminate those that do not serve us.<br> </span><span title="Seguramente otras maestras de la lista te puedan agregar algunas mas...">Surely other teachers on the list you can add some more ...<br></span><span title="O sea, está muy bueno que se pueda guardar en el diario y tomar imágenes de él pero también estaría bueno poder contar con la opción diapositiva dentro del programa.">So, it's very good that can be saved in the journal and take pictures of him but would also be good to have the option to slide within the program.<br> </span><span title="De última, creo que lo que mas complica es la traba de tener que abrir siempre actividad nueva desde hogar.">Last, I think what is more complicated obstacle of having to always open new business from home.<br></span><span title="Visto desde el punto de vista de ustedes, los desarrolladores, evita archivos inútiles">Viewed from the standpoint of you, developers, avoid useless files<br></span><span title="Visto desde el punto de vista de las maestras, nos complica la vida, corremos el riesgo continuo de perder trabajos que están en proceso si no recordamos indicarle a los niños que">Viewed from the perspective of teachers, we complicate our lives, we risk losing ongoing work in process if you do not remember to tell children<br></span><span title="marquen "empezar nuevo" cuando se trata de tareas de clase.">marked "start again" when it comes to class assignments.<br> </span><span title="Sería muy interesante que en algún momento pudiéramos hacer la conexión correcta desarrolladores y docentes, para que al aplicar cambios realmente sean útiles para el uso en clase.">It would be very interesting that we could ever make the proper connection and teacher developers to implement changes that are really useful for classroom use.<br></span><span title="Agrego otra punta.">I add another tip. </span><span title="Mi hija dibuja muy bien y le gusta mucho dibujar.">My daughter draws very well and loves to draw. </span><span title="Con 10 años no la voy a sentar a usar El Gimp o Inkscape, la siento a que use Tuxpaint.">With 10 years I will not sit or Inkscape use The Gimp, I feel that use Tuxpaint. </span><span title="Está bien, es para su edad, y le salen cosas muy bonitas realmente.">Okay, it's for his age, and really nice stuff out. </span><span title="Pero ¡ups!">But ups! </span><span title="dibujar algo nuevo significa perder el trabajo anterior.">draw something new means losing the previous job. </span><span title="¿Es justo eso?">Is that fair? </span><span title="No. Nadie usa una sola hoja para dibujar, usa varias, y nadie se le ocurre borrar un dibujo aunque esté perfecto para hacer otro.">No. No one uses a single sheet to draw, using multiple, and nobody thinks you delete a picture but perfect for another. </span><span title="No tiene sentido.">It makes no sense.<br></span><span title="Pero yo pregunto: ¿un niño no tiene derecho a tener creatividad, a dibujar mucho y bien?">But I ask you a child has no right to be creative, draw a long and well? </span><span title="¿Porqué presumen a priori que los niños dibujan más o menos, para pasar el rato y ya está, se borra para que no "ocupe" espacio?">Why assume a priori that children draw more or less, to hang out and you're not cleared to "occupy" space?<br></span><span title="Ésa es la otra utilidad de las diapositivas de Tuxpaint.">That is the other utility Tuxpaint slides.<br></span><span title="Y no me digas por favor que hay otro programa para hacer lo mismo.">And please do not tell me that there is another program to do the same. </span><span title="¡Son niños no diseñadores gráficos!">Children are not graphic designers! </span><span title="Ya aprenderán a usar otros programas.">They'll learn to use other programs.</span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">Resuming: she think that the "slides" view is necessary, maintenance the integration with the jounal...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2">But make it is can be complicated, or not "optimized" function... A slow process:</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2">for each entry in the journal...</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"> if it's an image...</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"> scale to show..</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"> show in the tuxpaint</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">"Tux Paint will behave like regular activity but preserving useful features like Load/New."</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2">I think that is good idea..</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2">Another activitys have and dialog.. You can re-use it.. Like the Read activity...</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2">Regards</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2">Alan</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma" size="2"><br></font><br><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; ">> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:57:01 +0000<br>> From: alsroot@activitycentral.org<br>> To: alanjas@hotmail.com<br>> CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org<br>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Tux Paint - Save and new<br>> <br>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 08:02:44PM +0000, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote:<br>> > <br>> > Hello,<br>> > I have been using for some time TuxPaint activity ...There is a great little detail in its operation ..<br>> > One draw something ... Will the "Save" and save your drawing .. Then select "New" and then choose the color or image to begin work, the activityreuses the same "journal entry" and you lose the picture above!<br>> <br>> The original issue, is that Tux Paint is not Sugar activity at all,<br>> and is not folowing Sugar Journal methaphor. The initial Journal<br>> support was, well.. not completed. For example, there are buttons New,<br>> Load, Save.<br>> <br>> That was not obvious for me what to do with these buttons (they are<br>> useful somehow). Though, there is an ongoing process for removing<br>> Load/Save buttons (there was a request from .uy).<br>> <br>> > It would not be possible, by selecting "New" is create a new one?<br>> > As this is now necessary to make 1 drawing, leave and re-enter (and also select the "new" as sugar but opens the last entry ..)<br>> > This can be changed?<br>> <br>> Eventually, I think would be better to:<br>> <br>> * remove Save button (sugar doesn't have it and even Keep button<br>> was removed),<br>> * Open and New functionality seems to be useful, would be useful to have<br>> Open/New (or New/Open) dialog popped up on creating new activity<br>> instance<br>> <br>> i.e., Tux Paint will behave like regular activity but preserving useful<br>> features like Load/New.<br>> <br>> -- <br>> Aleksey<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Sugar-devel mailing list<br>> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org<br>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel<br></div></div> </div></body> </html>