What should we change in sugar? <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/8 Tomeu Vizoso <<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 18:32, Peter Korn <<a href="mailto:peter.korn@oracle.com">peter.korn@oracle.com</a>> wrote: > </div><div class="im">> Hi Tomeu, gang, > > [I'm cc-ing Joanie Diggs, co-maintainer of Orca] > > I believe there are 6 key things that need to be done in/for Sugar to enable use of the GNOME accessibility work for folks with vision impairments. Others more expert in the specific details may correct/amend my comments. I believe the 6 things are: > > The shift of AT-SPI from CORBA to DBUS (in process, not yet completed, but builds of at-spi2 are in the GNOME code repository and if someone would start playing and testing with it on the OLPC, that'd be great!) </div>I tested the very recent bits of at-spi2 in sugar-jhbuild and they seemed to work fine in that accerciser was able to navigate through the controls of the desktop window and of activities (applications). <div class="im"> > Implementation of ATK by the Sugar UI components (this is the accessibility API that screen readers like Orca use) </div>Accerciser showed that it could not go into the HippoCanvas widget that is used in some fundamental parts of the Sugar shell and also inside our browser. The browser is moving from xulrunner to webkitgtk+ which I expect to fare much better there. About HippoCanvas, I have been experimenting with replacing it with custom GtkContainers and dropping Hippo completely seemed very doable. <div class="im"> > Creating / adapting a magnifier service on Sugar for Orca. This may be a fairly trivial port of gnome-mag (non-COMPOSITE edition), or it may be a complete re-write </div>I have no idea of what this entails, but as we have kept quite close to GNOME's architecture, I expect the fairly trivial port to suffice. <div class="im"> > Porting Orca to Sugar. This may be fairly trivial, or it may involve a new Sugar-style GUI, etc. </div>Tried out Orca in Sugar and it was able to read windows titles, buttons labels, etc. What GUI would it have other than a configuration parameter for starting it automatically at startup? <div class="im"> > Adding theme support go Sugar for vision impairments - things like a large-print theme, and inverse theme, etc. </div>The Uruguayan deployment has customized their builds in this direction but I believe they need help upstreaming it. <div class="im"> > Ensure 100% keyboard operability of Sugar </div>Hippo is also the roadblock here. <div class="im"> > Tomeu - are there folks in sugar-devel who have cycles to work on these things? </div>No idea, I started this thread to find out :) Thanks a lot for the great insights! Tomeu <div><div></div><div class="h5"> > > Regards, > > > Peter > > On 9/7/2010 12:49 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 20:15, Esteban Arias <<a href="mailto:earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy">earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy</a>> wrote: > > > no, I tested with gnome desktop. > > > Ok, I can help you get in touch with the GNOME team that works on > accessibility if you want. They are very dedicated, friendly and > talented bunch. Collabora and other companies also provide services > related to accessibility and GNOME. > > But nobody else than us is going to fix accessibility in Sugar so > that's why I'm asking if anybody here has interest in working on this. > The first need is finding someone who can tell us what needs to be > improved in Sugar so it can be used by people with no or very low > vision. > > Thanks, > > Tomeu > > > > 2010/9/3 Tomeu Vizoso <<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> > > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 18:25, Esteban Arias <<a href="mailto:earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy">earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy</a>> > wrote: > > > xo-1.0 | F11 | Dextrose version | Gnome desktop | orca 2.26.3 > > If I set: "run at startup" > orca run correctly. > > > Hi Esteban, > > to clarify, you configure orca in some way so it runs when sugar > starts up and it reads what is on the screen? > > Thanks, > > Tomeu > > > > If I excecute "orca" from Terminal, shows error: > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/orca/mouse_review.py:189: Warning: > invalid > uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `GdkDisplayX11' > self._mouseDwellTimeout(event.detail1, event.detail2) > > Displays Preferences dialog, but dont reads screen. > > Regards, > Esteban Arias. > > 2010/9/2 Tomeu Vizoso <<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 14:51, Esteban Arias <<a href="mailto:earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy">earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy</a>> > wrote: > > > I install orca on xo 1.0 with gnome for f11. > If I config to start session with orca, runs ok. But if I execute > orca > from > terminal, dont run correctly: > > > Hi Esteban, > > could be that your email arrived to us incomplete? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > > > 2010/9/1 <a href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">pbrobinson@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">pbrobinson@gmail.com</a>> > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> > wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:10, Tomeu Vizoso <<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> > wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:08, Esteban Arias > <<a href="mailto:earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy">earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy</a>> wrote: > > > hi, > we can colaborate with this proyect. > > > Excelent, have you tried already orca with Sugar? And with GNOME? > > > I would say that the next step is for someone who knows how orca > is > used to give it a try and file tickets for the biggest issues. Not > sure we can make much more until then. > > > The gnome guys mentioned this the other day and there's going to be > some more work done within gnome hopefully for F-14. So hopefully we > should be looking better for that release. > > Peter > > > -- > Esteban Arias > Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal > Avda. Italia 6201 > Montevideo - Uruguay. > Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228 > E-mail : <a href="mailto:earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy">earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy</a> > > > > > -- > Esteban Arias > Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal > Avda. Italia 6201 > Montevideo - Uruguay. > Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228 > E-mail : <a href="mailto:earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy">earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy</a> > > > > > -- > Esteban Arias > Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal > Avda. 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