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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I too can verify that without ethernet
connection there are no activities-not-starting issues at all. Indeed, just
about everything seems a bit snappier.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Now if the latest (audio) Records only worked with
Fedora15. (For me, the activity seems to record, but plays back a silent file.
Then, too, it seems confused as to whether the format is Ogg Speex or Ogg
Vorbis.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Art Hunkins</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pbrobinson@gmail.com href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">Peter
Robinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=abhunkin@uncg.edu
href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">Art Hunkins</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: [Csnd] Default Scons
build and backward compatibility (Csound/Fedora15)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hey Art,<BR><BR>AWESOME on the csound.<BR><BR>On the Activities
I've encountered similar results.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Peter<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Art Hunkins <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Peter -</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Great news - your new Csound modules work
*perfectly*.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>FWIW, "perfectly" includes not only the crucial
"old-parser" default, but also MIDI and multiple-controller MIDI. (I hadn't
suspected problems with these latter two items, but thought I'd mention them
anyway.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>In any case, my Csound-based activities run
fine now without modification, and the new Fedora 15 SoaS release will be
backwardly compatible as far as Csound (and Csound-python) is
concerned.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>BTW, I've a little hint about the "activities
not opening" phenomenon. Though often (usually?) they do not open the first
time they are selected, if they are selected *again* immediately, they
always do open. (Or so it seems.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks again for all your help and forbearance
with Csound.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Art Hunkins</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=pbrobinson@gmail.com href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Peter Robinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=abhunkin@uncg.edu
href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu" target=_blank>Art Hunkins</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:09
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: [Csnd] Default Scons
build and backward compatibility</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>easiest will be <BR><BR>"rpm
-Uvh <A
href="http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm"
target=_blank>http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm</A>
<A
href="http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-python-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm"
target=_blank>http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-python-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm</A>"<BR><BR>Peter<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Art Hunkins <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu"
target=_blank>abhunkin@uncg.edu</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks, Peter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'll try this out tomorrow.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Do I upgrade simply with:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>yum upgrade csound</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV><FONT color=#888888>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Art Hunkins</FONT></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=pbrobinson@gmail.com href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Peter Robinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=abhunkin@uncg.edu
href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu" target=_blank>Art Hunkins</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: [Csnd] Default
Scons build and backward compatibility</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV><A
href="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15"
target=_blank>https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15</A><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Peter
Robinson <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com"
target=_blank>pbrobinson@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>Hmm. We'll see
how we get on. Build csound-5.13.0-5.fc15 will have the change in
it. It will be submitted as an update shortly.<BR><BR>Peter<BR><BR>
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<DIV>On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Art Hunkins <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu"
target=_blank>abhunkin@uncg.edu</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Peter,<BR><BR>FYI (another response). Felipe is the Debian
maintainer for Csound. He's quite active and knowledgeable about
Csound (and has followed it over a period of time),
FWIW.<BR></DIV>bmity
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>Art Hunkins<BR><BR>-----
Original Message ----- From: "Felipe Sateler" <<A
href="mailto:fsateler@gmail.com"
target=_blank>fsateler@gmail.com</A>>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>To: <<A
href="mailto:csound@lists.bath.ac.uk"
target=_blank>csound@lists.bath.ac.uk</A>><BR></DIV>Sent:
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:32 PM
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>Subject: Re: [Csnd]
Default Scons build and backward compatibility<BR><BR><BR></DIV>I
agree with most of your comments but...
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR><BR>On Tue, Jun 14, 2011
at 13:02, Art Hunkins <<A href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu"
target=_blank>abhunkin@uncg.edu</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Everyone knows I'm a Windows person, and
normally wouldn't be affected<BR>by such largely "Linux issues."
However, I am involved with the Fedora-based<BR>Sugar-on-a-Stick
project. A new release is about to come out, and Csound
has<BR>been built with default Scons options, resulting in its
being incompatible<BR>with the Activities I've written, as well
as with all previous<BR>Sugar-on-a-Stick releases. This is "a
problem that shouldn't be".<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>This is
really a problem that shouldn't be, but not for the reasons<BR>you
argue. The csound maintainer in fedora should be specifying
all<BR>the features he wants and disabling all that he doesn't.
Leaving the<BR>build script to do whatever it feels like is
wrong.<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>At the very least, the
default Scons script should indicate clearly the<BR>meaning of
each option, and *in giant red letters/flags* (or the
equivalent)<BR>indicate experimental and untested features. Then
by all means, make a safe<BR>and compatible default
build.<BR><BR></DIV>Am I way off base? Please let me know what
I'm missing.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This is my opinion only, but
relying on defaults is the wrong way to<BR>build
software.<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR><BR>--
<BR><BR>Saludos,<BR>Felipe Sateler</FONT>
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