Hey Art,<br><br>AWESOME on the csound.<br><br>On the Activities I've encountered similar results.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Peter<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Art Hunkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Peter -</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Great news - your new Csound modules work
*perfectly*.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">FWIW, "perfectly" includes not only the crucial
"old-parser" default, but also MIDI and multiple-controller MIDI. (I hadn't
suspected problems with these latter two items, but thought I'd mention them
anyway.)</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">In any case, my Csound-based activities run fine
now without modification, and the new Fedora 15 SoaS release will be backwardly
compatible as far as Csound (and Csound-python) is concerned.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">BTW, I've a little hint about the "activities not
opening" phenomenon. Though often (usually?) they do not open the first time
they are selected, if they are selected *again* immediately, they always do
open. (Or so it seems.)</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks again for all your help and forbearance with
Csound.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Art Hunkins</font></div>
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<div style="font:10pt arial;background:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a title="pbrobinson@gmail.com" href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com" target="_blank">Peter
Robinson</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="abhunkin@uncg.edu" href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu" target="_blank">Art Hunkins</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:09
AM</div>
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build and backward compatibility</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font><br></div>easiest will be <br><br>"rpm
-Uvh <a href="http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm" target="_blank">http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm</a>
<a href="http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-python-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm" target="_blank">http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-python-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm</a>"<br>
<br>Peter<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Art Hunkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu" target="_blank">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks, Peter.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I'll try this out tomorrow.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Do I upgrade simply with:</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">yum upgrade csound</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Art Hunkins</font></div></font>
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<div style="font:10pt arial;background:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="pbrobinson@gmail.com" href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com" target="_blank">Peter Robinson</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="abhunkin@uncg.edu" href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu" target="_blank">Art Hunkins</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:06
PM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Fw: [Csnd] Default Scons
build and backward compatibility</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font><br></div><a href="https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15" target="_blank">https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15</a><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Peter Robinson
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com" target="_blank">pbrobinson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><font size="2" face="Arial"></font><br>Hmm. We'll see how
we get on. Build csound-5.13.0-5.fc15 will have the change in it. It
will be submitted as an update shortly.<br><br>Peter<br><br>
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<div>On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Art Hunkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu" target="_blank">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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<div>Peter,<br><br>FYI (another response). Felipe is the Debian
maintainer for Csound. He's quite active and knowledgeable about
Csound (and has followed it over a period of time),
FWIW.<br></div>bmity
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font><br>Art Hunkins<br><br>-----
Original Message ----- From: "Felipe Sateler" <<a href="mailto:fsateler@gmail.com" target="_blank">fsateler@gmail.com</a>>
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June 14, 2011 4:32 PM
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font><br>Subject: Re: [Csnd] Default
Scons build and backward compatibility<br><br><br></div>I agree with
most of your comments but...
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font><br><br>On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at
13:02, Art Hunkins <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu" target="_blank">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Everyone knows I'm a Windows person, and normally
wouldn't be affected<br>by such largely "Linux issues." However, I
am involved with the Fedora-based<br>Sugar-on-a-Stick project. A new
release is about to come out, and Csound has<br>been built with
default Scons options, resulting in its being incompatible<br>with
the Activities I've written, as well as with all
previous<br>Sugar-on-a-Stick releases. This is "a problem that
shouldn't be".<br></blockquote><br></div>This is really a problem that
shouldn't be, but not for the reasons<br>you argue. The csound
maintainer in fedora should be specifying all<br>the features he wants
and disabling all that he doesn't. Leaving the<br>build script to do
whatever it feels like is wrong.<br><br><br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font><br>At the very least, the
default Scons script should indicate clearly the<br>meaning of each
option, and *in giant red letters/flags* (or the
equivalent)<br>indicate experimental and untested features. Then by
all means, make a safe<br>and compatible default
build.<br><br></div>Am I way off base? Please let me know what I'm
missing.<br></blockquote><br>This is my opinion only, but relying on
defaults is the wrong way to<br>build software.<br><font color="#888888"><br><br>-- <br><br>Saludos,<br>Felipe Sateler</font>
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