Hi Gary--I think this looks quite nice. This actually seems like a nice evolution on the simple ring, though it would be good to see how it adapts from the basic layout and with different numbers of activities...<div> </div> <div>Christian <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Gary Martin <<a href="mailto:garycmartin@googlemail.com">garycmartin@googlemail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Hi Christian, <div class="im"> On 3 Aug 2010, at 14:12, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: > Starring activites in the journal to appear in Home makes sense. And the spiral as overflow for the ring, if executed well, seems like a good idea in order to preserve the general UI metaphor. We should test a range of different variations to end up with a design that is both efficient and visually elegant. > > I think we should also investigate a scalable grid view with thumbnails--I still believe this would make for a great counterpart to the ring/spiral. I'll look for the original mockups and start exploring this idea further... </div>Here's a quick vector mockup: - list view toolbar icon gone - spiral icon default view* - grey activity icons are Journal starred .xo bundles, provide the 'Start new' functionality and existing resume of last N recent entries access** - coloured activity icons are starred Journal entries created by user or others (resumes that entry, shows past versions?)*** *note the duplicate activity icons, I wanted to see what home would look like once multiple activities of the same time could be favoured. ** note the 'Start shared with -->' option, and idea/request that's been bouncing around for a while, example use case would be to start a new Chat directly with the local neighbourhood, or a specific friend (rather than faffing around with the activity toolbar after a new activity instance has been created). *** we need to be very sure users are clear on the new vs resume distinction, otherwise we're just back to users resuming, say, a nice painting they starred and then possibly messing it up or manually wiping it because they want to make something new. Versions would obviously help recover from such actions. --Gary > Christian > > On Aug 3, 2010, at 8:10 AM, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Martin <<a href="mailto:garycmartin@googlemail.com">garycmartin@googlemail.com</a>> wrote: >>> Hi Walter, >>> >>> On 3 Aug 2010, at 11:39, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:39, Martin Dengler <<a href="mailto:martin@martindengler.com">martin@martindengler.com</a>> wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32:34PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball <<a href="mailto:cjb@laptop.org">cjb@laptop.org</a>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Christian, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which >>>>>>>> > you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a >>>>>>>> > similar technique to the OSX dock or Windows taskbar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think this is working out. For OLPC (and perhaps SoaS as >>>>>>>> well?) we're shipping with every activity other than Log and Terminal >>>>>>>> favorited by default, after receiving reports that kids didn't >>>>>>>> understand how to launch activities otherwise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is a tighter spiral of 74 icons for the home view (running in the >>>>>>> Sugar emulator at 800x600). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/f/f0/Spiral-home-view.png" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/f/f0/Spiral-home-view.png</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> Sorry if this has already been considered, but maybe the favorites >>>>> view should only contain the few most used activities and the rest can >>>>> be launched from the list view? If this is not viable for some reason, >>>>> maybe we need to fix or remove the list view? >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, I think we are bumping up against three orthogonal issues here: >>>> >>>> (1) how to make the Home View support more icons (without needing to >>>> scroll or pan -- we saw problems with that in the original donut view >>>> and still see it with the control panel -- this is the goal of the >>>> spiral. (The suggestion to shrink icons down to a pixel is a nice one, >>>> but rapidly degrades into something unusable in IMHO and requires yet >>>> another UI affordance: magnify. I think we can avoid such complexity >>>> for quite some time yet.) >>> >>> One fallback I keep thinking about is an overflow/more... icon as the last available icon in a favourite layout. In much the same way as the toolbar overflow drop down menu, it would act as the final catch all for an excess of activity icons. Alternatively it could be an option for where the main list view functionality goes if we remove that view and decide Journal is not where the functionality should go — the drop down could hold all non favourites activities. >>> >>>> (2) the list view is intended to organize which icons are available on >>>> the home view and to access infrequently used icons. It also gives the >>>> user info re which version of an activity is installed. The current >>>> design causes confusion with the Journal and has very limited >>>> capability relative to the cost of supporting an alternative view. I >>>> would vote to move this functionality to the Journal: starred >>>> activities (items) show up on the Home View. >>> >>> Yes I think this has lots of potential. It does raise the issue/feature of being able to fav non-bundles and have them appear on your home view (i.e. some specific PDF books you are currently reading), this needs some thought as the home view would now contain some activity icons that changed to show most recent usage plus provide 'start new' functionality, and others that always just resumed a the same specific activity id. Perhaps in this case we would revert to the old grey icon / start new for activity bundles (with resume in their drop down menu) — oh Lordy... ;) >>> >>>> But this is a seemingly >>>> wholly separate topic from #1. >>>> >>>> (3) even with the above resolved, we have arguably too little control >>>> over the home view, both in terns of what appears -- several requests >>>> have been made for the ability to have views of multiple collections: >>>> e.g., school view, home view, etc. and the ability to customize (as >>>> the Random View currently supports). (Also, there is often a request >>>> for a background image for the Home View.) All of these are features >>>> that could be added incrementally, preferably after we settle item #2. >>>> (My favorite solution for collections is to allow multiple stars, like >>>> in gmail.) >>> >>> Multiple stars, like gmail? Hmm can't see that gmail feature — did you mean multiple labels/tags? If we went with the Journal favs showing up in home view, we could go the whole hog and use the Journal tags as well. That way you could view home favs by tag with activities potentially appearing in more than on group. >>> >> >> Might be an add-on. But I can assign different stars to my mail. >> >> Using tags is spot on, but we may want a button or star mechanism to >> generate the tags as well. >> >>> --Gary >>> >>>> -walter >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Tomeu >>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Chris. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -walter >>>>>> >>>>>> Martin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>> <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>>>>> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Walter Bender >>>> Sugar Labs >>>> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> </blockquote></div> -- <a href="mailto:anything@christianmarcschmidt.com">anything@christianmarcschmidt.com</a> 917/ 575 0013 <a href="http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com">http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com</a> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt">http://www.linkedin.com/in/christianmarcschmidt</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/cms_">http://twitter.com/cms_</a> </div>