Yeah How we detect what keyboard is present? Gonzalo <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Paul Fox <<a href="mailto:pgf@laptop.org">pgf@laptop.org</a>> wrote: > i'd like to bring this discussion to a conclusion. > > i'm starting to be a fan of this proposal of bert's -- it's very > simple, keeps the keys the same in sugar and in gnome, and on > membrane and non-membrane keyboards, it's backwards compatible > with existing use on XO-1, and the volume/ brightness keys remain > easily discoverable. it does require that sugar respond to F5 > and F6 for "journal" and "frame" -- i still don't have a feeling > for whether that's an issue or not, and if so, how big. </div>The only activity I am aware of that uses F5 and F6 on the XO is the most recent version of Paint that Gonzolo is working on. Presumably these keymaps could be grabbed by Paint when running on an OLPC XO 1.0 or when we detect the membrane keyboard. Otherwise, we could keep the mapping as Bert suggests. > any yeas or nays? Yeah. <div><div></div><div class="h5">> > paul > > > bert wrote: > > > > On 17.07.2010, at 09:31, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > > > > > El Thu, 15-07-2010 a las 23:08 -0400, Paul Fox escribió: > > >> i think everyone (except > > >> apple, i'm learning tonight) agrees this is the correct setup > > >> when not in sugar. > > > > > > Lenovo also seems to be switching to the Apple layout: > > > > > > <a href="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/thinkpadedgepost16.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/thinkpadedgepost16.jpg</a> > > > > > <a href="http://www.thinkpads.com/wp-content/gallery/lenovo-thinkpad-edge-13-review/lenov" target="_blank">http://www.thinkpads.com/wp-content/gallery/lenovo-thinkpad-edge-13-review/lenov</a> > > o-thinkpad-edge-13-keyboard.jpg > > > > > > Almost all the historic F-key mappings have an alternative CTRL+key or > > > ALT+key mapping in modern HIGs. Keys to control laptop volume and > > > brightness are accessed much more frequently, so it's foreseeable that > > > over time they will supplant the F-keys in PC keyboards. > > > > +1 > > > > IMHO pressing "fn" to get "f1" to "f10" makes sense. In my daily routine I much > > more often change volume or brightness than use the numbered F keys. > > > > Looking at this again > > > > <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Spanish_Non-membrane_Keyboard" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Spanish_Non-membrane_Keyboard</a> > > > > I propose: > > > > f1-f8 produce F key codes both with and without the fn key > > f9-f12 produce F codes only with fn, and volume/brightness events > > without fn. > > > > So holding down fn always gets you the F key codes, you can change > > volume/brightness without modifier, and as a bonus you can use the first eight > > F keys even without the fn key. > > > > This mapping should work both in Sugar and outside. > > > > - Bert - > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Devel mailing list > > <a href="mailto:Devel@lists.laptop.org">Devel@lists.laptop.org</a> > > <a href="http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel" target="_blank">http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel</a> > > =--------------------- > paul fox, <a href="mailto:pgf@laptop.org">pgf@laptop.org</a> > </div></div><div class="im">> _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > </div><div class="im">-- Walter Bender Sugar Labs <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> </div><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> -- Gonzalo Odiard Responsable de Desarrollo Sistemas Australes