<div class="gmail_quote"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Bernie Innocenti </font><span dir="ltr"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><<a href="mailto:bernie@codewiz.org">bernie@codewiz.org</a>></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"> wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 23:35 -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:<br>
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> Yes that would work, and wouldn't leave a hidden button taking up<br>
> space on the tool bar.<br><br></font>
</div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">Ok, we'll work on a patch to do this.<br></font>
<div class="im"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><br><br>
> By the way, I don't see how one keeps a copy from the Journal to a new<br>
> Journal item. One can copy to the clipboard and then keep a text file<br>
> to the Journal from the primary Journal view (in the panel for the<br>
> object icon - Sugar 0.88), and, in the extended Journal object<br>
> view, one can copy files as text to attached devices--but how would<br>
> one keep a copy of the running Activity?<br><br></font>
</div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">Ugh. We clearly need to put a lot more thought into Journal interaction:<br><br>
* lack of multiple selection makes certain tasks such as copying 10<br>
photos to a pendrive amazingly repetitive and slow.<br><br>
* lack of a size column in the list view makes it hard to identify<br>
large items that could be deleted to free up some space.</font>
</blockquote><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">We should review this section of our design guidelines,</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/The_Journal#The_Notion_of_.22Keeping.22">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/The_Journal#The_Notion_of_.22Keeping.22</a></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">The 'Incremental backups paragraph' may be mis-worded. The 'keep (a</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">copy)' button instantiates a new copy of the Activity. The incremental</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">backups and keep-hints are said to 'keep a copy', but rather, they update</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">and persist the working copy from the Learner's point of view.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><br>
</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">Perhaps we should just label the button or option 'Copy' because that is</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">both the result and the action (at least in English where it is both a </font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">noun and a verb).</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">I imagine that with the 'Keep a copy' action option on the proposed,</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">'Stop' button panel, Sugar Learners might see that phrase, and again,</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">panic about 'saving' their Activity. An action option labelled 'Copy' may</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">instead suggest that a new instance would be created, rather than suggest</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">that they need to 'keep' their Activity or 'lose' it.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">The proposed 'Copy' icon might be improved by hinting that a new instance</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace">of the current Activity is to go (copied) into the Journal, perhaps by placing a new-object star (*) above the arrow pointing to the Journal. (See attached example.)</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'courier new', monospace"> --Fred</font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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