<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Edward Cherlin wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:e574f6eb1003140656j55e38d8bgdb6c8dbda5f0369b@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I'm working on a different approach to introducing the XO and Sugar, by encouraging exploration rather than by explaining everything. It is based on my Wiki page <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable</a> </pre> </blockquote> I think that this list is great and should be taken into account for expanding the tutorius system capabilities in the future. <blockquote cite="mid:e574f6eb1003140656j55e38d8bgdb6c8dbda5f0369b@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> You will see that a proper tutorial has to cover more than the Frame, Views, Journal, Browse, and Write. </pre> </blockquote> I totally agree. However, the technical challenge of providing an interactive tutorial from inside Sugar is sufficiently great that it would not be possible to support everything mentioned on your Wiki page for the next release. I therefore chose to limit its scope to the minimum that would still be useful, according to Gerald Ardito, in a discussion we had last November. In the meantime, the goal would be to reliably support the whole Sugar Desktop and Activities and to give the tools to users for creating their own tutorials about a variety of topics (Sugar and Activity-related) and share them. That could help scale the documentation effort and help spread best practices in the community. We have a proof of concept but at this point it is not usable enough to be integrated for the next release. <blockquote cite="mid:e574f6eb1003140656j55e38d8bgdb6c8dbda5f0369b@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">We cannot assume that children in developing countries know anything--not international symbols, not mousing, not icons and menus. </pre> </blockquote> I think that the core idea of having a step-by-step introduction to Sugar is still useful for those children and that the problem could be technically solved by expanding the current system to satisfy those accessibility requirements: Inability to Read International Symbols -> text-to-speech and/or audio recording of tutorial instructions Mousing -> Introduction video or animations Icons and Menus -> Flashing icons to draw attention Again, I don't think supporting all this for the next version is realistic. However, taking into account the environment in which Sugar will be used could give us insight on what kind of challenges are worth solving technically. I think the larger question is what learning activities about and inside Sugar are more cost-effective to solve through: * Teacher-based instruction (and teacher training) * Peer collaboration * Individual exploration * Interactive tutorials (or any tutoring system) I can see a niche where building technical capabilities into Sugar for making interactive tutorials (and maintaining those tutorials) would scale better than teacher-based instruction. It might even be more efficient from a learning perspective than the average experience some child get through those means. The exact boundaries are not completely clear now but I think they will be better defined as we obtain more information from existing deployments (which could also be facilitated through technical means). <blockquote cite="mid:e574f6eb1003140656j55e38d8bgdb6c8dbda5f0369b@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> There is an early partial draft posted at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://booki.flossmanuals.net/discovering-discovery/">http://booki.flossmanuals.net/discovering-discovery/</a> , which is currently down. This may have something to do with changes for the Alpha release of Booki. </pre> </blockquote> I'll look into this when the link goes back up again! <blockquote cite="mid:e574f6eb1003140656j55e38d8bgdb6c8dbda5f0369b@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 01:52, Erick Lavoie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:erick.lavoie@gmail.com"><erick.lavoie@gmail.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Following the work we have done on Tutorius in the last year, I would suggest having an interactive introduction tutorial to Sugar that would be presented to the user on the first login screen and in the option menu. The basic outline of the tutorial would be to present the Frame, the different Views, the Journal and finally the Browse and Write activities in a single tour of the Sugar learning platform. The feature is described here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Introduction_Tutorial">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Introduction_Tutorial</a> Comments and questions from the community are welcomed! Regards, Erick _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>