<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi David, >From what I understand, your tutorial creator is picture-based, so the use case for showing how Sugar works is: 1. The user takes a screenshot of the Activity 2. He adds annotations on it to tell what element of the interface do 3. Another user can now take a quiz on what does what in the interface with possibility of collaboration and competitive scoring via Dbus. The main difference with what we are trying to achieve is that we put the emphasis on the dynamic aspect of a tutorial, of actually doing inside the Activity the actions suggested by the tutorial.  We think that it is difficult to imagine complex workflows from a simple description of the interface and that it might be a lot more effective if we could guide the users all along the way in executing it. I'll be interested in seeing how your creator evolves and see how people use it. We lack data on how people learn a new piece of software so it is hard to know how tutorials should be presented and what approaches work best. I think diversity in ways to look at the problem is desirable and should allows everybody to learn from each other. regards, Erick David Van Assche wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:8cc423ef0910300807y6ab7e35er19196cfcb79780ce@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Erick, Just so you know, I've created a tutorial creator for gtk using python. Right now its really simple, just upload picture, point and click on picture to set bullet points, and then name those bullet points. The there is the test taker, which scores u on which u got right/wrong. Next step was to connect the dbus tubes to collaborate like a in quiz game show. Thisn might be too specific for what u are looking for, but its really commented, as I wanted to make a tutorial for making python apps with collab for gtk and sugar. Maybe take a look: git.sugarlabs.org/projects/pyclic Possibly there is some breakage as I was just internationalising it, which I remember leaving working. But in any case the code is there and readable. One of the nice things is, the whole quiz is an XML file, so easy to move via xmpp to web, or other server,or watever... image 64 bit encoded... At this point, it could do with adding some ideas, linking into moodle for example, etc... if u are interested in collaborating, let me know... kind regards, David On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Erick Lavoie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:erick.lavoie@gmail.com"><erick.lavoie@gmail.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Edward Cherlin wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:11, Erick Lavoie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:erick.lavoie@gmail.com"><erick.lavoie@gmail.com></a> wrote: As discussed before, Tutorius is a project done by 9 students from Université de Sherbrooke (Québec, Canada) aiming to integrate interactive tutorials inside Sugar to guide Sugar users in learning the platform and its activities.  Our goal for december is to be able to cover most of the content of the Floss manual. I have started writing a new manual, tentatively Discovering Discovery on the XO. It is based on the material in my Wiki page, <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable</a>. The introductory material and the first few topics exist in draft form. I am currently sorting obstacles by dependencies. Then I intend to create a sequence of topics in dependency order exploring each obstacle. The intention is to cover everything that an average student will need in order to be able to use all of the Sugar software at grade level. Then we have to work on the topics appropriate for each school subject, and propose a few new subjects that are essential for achieving the Millennium Development Goals, building a functioning society and economy, and rebuilding the environment. We are doing this along 3 axis: Execution: Add the mechanisms needed to Sugar to support execution of tutorials What do you need besides existing activities and programming environments, particularly TurtleArt, Pippy, Scratch, and Etoys? I am referring to the design we have done to be able to overlay Tutorials on top of Activities or the Shell, in a uniform way for all GUI systems (Gtk, PyGame, Qt, Etoys, etc.) supported by Sugar.  We want teachers and students to eventually be able to write interactive guides to Sugar without having to understand the specifics of the technologies behind every activity. This is what will make tutorial building easy. This is a lot more challenging than simply making sure that it is possible to create tutorials for a specific activity. So far, we are only supporting Gtk-based Activities but the support for other systems should be progressively incorporated. We do not need any extraneous libraries or third-party software other than what is shipped with Sugar  currently but we needed to add some hooks in Sugar itself (sugar-session, Activity, etc.). Creation: Provide tools to create tutorials from within Sugar in a GUI environment Same question. Again, this is a custom design and the goal is to be able to use the same Tutorial Creator for all Activities and Sugar itself.  Based on the FLOSS manuals, we realized that we needed more than one activity for certain workflows so we want to be able to execute tutorials that spans more than one Activity and guide through Sugar itself between those activities.  The Creator should enable building tutorials in a way that is as close to the workflow an experienced user is using as possible. Eventually, it should be easy to record the events the user has generated to accomplish a certain workflow through many Activities and then allow edition of that sequence for incorporating notifications to guide another user in accomplishing the same workflow. This is more than simply providing a help section inside an activity. It should become a lot more concrete once we have shown a demo of the current Creator in action. regards, Erick Sharing: Provide a platform to share tutorials on the web Definitely. We have shown demos in the past of basic capabilities (in chronological order), here, here and at a presentation given last April. Next Friday, we will hang around on IRC at 13h EST and give a live demo of the current state of the project using Yuuguu or something equivalent, with an execution engine running in a separate process than the activity, an overhauled tutorial creator (still running inside the activity process) and maybe a quick overview of the sharing platform based around the addon sharing platform from Mozilla. We would like to exchange ideas with people and discuss technical matters with the following goals: Receive feedback on the work done so far Discuss the possible integration of our system with Sugar, the SugarLabs sharing platform and the official release cycle Anticipate possible evolutions Exchange ideas and pointers to similar work and papers to inspire ourselves and avoid duplicating research efforts Our team will disband around mid-december, but I'll keep maintaining the project and there might be possibilities for another team of 6-8 people from Université de Sherbrooke to push the project further in January for another year. It would be really exciting to see a collaboration with SugarLabs continue in the future! For those interested in a more technical view of the inner working of the system, see Tutorius Architecture, especially the Component section. See you on IRC on Friday at 13h EST! 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