<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM, C. Scott Ananian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cscott@laptop.org">cscott@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Wade Brainerd <<a href="mailto:wadetb@gmail.com">wadetb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> > I'd like to put my designer hat on for a minute and offer an alternative<br> >> > to<br> >> > Bernie/Michael's patch and the current behavior: Any time the mouse<br> >> > hovers<br> >> > over a part of the screen with a delayed action, that part must<br> >> > immediately<br> >> > highlight itself. With the frame, that would be a 1px rectangle around<br> >> > the<br> >> > screen. With icons, this could be a border rectangle.<br> <br> </div><div class="im">> An even nicer option might be to expand "highlight itself" to "hint at what<br> > it's going to do".<br> > For example, an icon with a delayed menu could highlight itself and display<br> > a little down arrow (similar to the arrows in the new toolbars).<br> > With feedback/mockups from the design team I'd be happy to attempt this<br> > patch.<br> <br> </div>I agree with Wade here -- I think the problem is not the delayed menus<br> themselves, but that kids are not *discovering* that right-click can<br> eliminate the delay. How are they supposed to discover that? Perhaps<br> some thought along those lines would help.<br> <br> I myself found that I often waited for the delayed menu, even though I<br> knew about right-click, because it was "easier". That seems to be my<br> choice and preference, not a priori a bad thing (even though an<br> observer might think it a flaw). I think that I did this less often<br> when the delay was increased, but now we're relying on imperfect<br> memory.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree. Even if I am right there and say "right click" and they have done it before so I know its "discovered", its hard for the child, and I'm working with 4th graders, they are at the older end of our age range. I think its not natural/developmentally there skill for our users.</div> <div><br></div><div>Right click is also hard on a macbook with only one mouse and I think its also hard in various environments for disabilities.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> Of course, seeing a small child start to swear is a good indication<br> that the user is frustrated and has not discovered any means to<br> resolve their frustration. (Even a "complexity slider" has to be<br> discoverable!)<br> --scott<br> <br> ps. I've found the discussion of ideas here much more interesting than<br> the finger-pointing. Attempts to shift responsibility (it's my patch,<br> YOU have to prove that it's wrong -vs- it's my design, YOU have to<br> prove that it's wrong) are productive/necessary to some degree, but a<br> family matter you guys should take out back somewhere to hash out. We<br> all should (IMHO) be listening much more to Daniel Drake, who seems to<br> have the most practical experience guiding his intuitions. (Caroline,<br> too, but I haven't her offer as specific an opinion on the issue.)<br> <br> pps. Perhaps this thread should have been started as a discussion of<br> design (with working code to demonstrate), not as, "here's a patch,<br> now if you value contributors you should apply it".<br> <font color="#888888"><br> --<br> ( <a href="http://cscott.net/" target="_blank">http://cscott.net/</a> )<br> </font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br> Sugar-devel mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Caroline Meeks<br>Solution Grove<br>Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<br><br>617-500-3488 - Office<br>505-213-3268 - Fax<br>