<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18812"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hello, Caroline,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I've considerable information to report re: CD's booting SoaS on USB.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>First, I admit to burning my boot CD wrong; creating the right kind of (.iso) CD makes the process work fine for me. My fairly current desktop system worked fine this way, as well as did an IBM ThinkPad notebook of Pentium II vintage. (I'm by and large a Windows person; no experience with Macs at all.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I did experience an overwhelming problem with the ThinkPad, however; it took a good 20 minutes or more for it to get from opening blue screen to the opening screen of my activity. It even took more than a minute to change to my initial activity screen from its full-screen icon display. And this machine has 1GB of memory. This admittedly anecdotal evidence leads me to question the total feasibility of running SoaS on vintage equipment. Have you or others had similar experience?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I was prepared for *some* slowdown, as my XO-1 natively runs noticeably faster than the XO-1 under SoaS Strawberry. The IBM ThinkPad however, is a *complete* no-go.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I've another Pentium I/II vintage laptop. It, like my IBM, has only a single USB port - showing that they are from the first generation of USB usage. However, this Hitachi laptop cannot boot from CD. This reminded me that USB ports and bootable CD's came in at about the same time, and do not predate by far bootable USB drives. IOW, bootable CD's are of limited utility for SoaS.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>However, bootable (3.5") *floppies* would be altogether a different matter. Floppies have been bootable forever, and all vintage machines have floppy drives - including both my Pentium I/II laptops. A floppy/USB combo, for laptops with a USB port, would at least theoretically render all such machines SoaS-capable. The combo would also work fine for older desktops as long as you could find a USB card for them.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bottom line: I'd really look forward to the availability of the boot floppy that's being completed by one of our list-members. If you had older desktops or laptops, you could easily configure them to boot first from the A: drive, having inserted the floppy disk and perhaps black-plastic-electrical-taped over the A: drive opening (?!).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But, to restate my question (and fear): who has had bad/good experience with SoaS in older computers?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Art Hunkins</FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cmeeks@sugarlabs.org href="mailto:cmeeks@sugarlabs.org">Caroline Meeks</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=abhunkin@uncg.edu href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">Art Hunkins</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:35 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV>Hi, <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV>How are things going getting your computers to boot?  Do you get this consistently or is it intermittent? I've seen it intermittently especially if I use restart not shutdown. If I power down its more likely to take.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV> <DIV>Caroline<BR><BR> <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Art Hunkins <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=gmail_quote> <DIV bgcolor="#ffffff"> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>FWIW, on a WinXP system of mine, a helper CD I made and booted from, completely ignored my SoaS and booted into Windows.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Not very encouraging. I'm finding that quite a few systems I have around here don't have a USB boot option. I've a feeling that most systems more than 4 years old or so fit into this category.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Art Hunkins</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=h5> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=cmeeks@sugarlabs.org href="mailto:cmeeks@sugarlabs.org" target=_blank>Caroline Meeks</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target=_blank>Sugar Devel</A> ; <A title=iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" target=_blank>iaep</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 31, 2009 9:09 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Has anyone seen a "Not Responding" error when booting with a CD helper? <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Also, I'm trying out the LaunchPad Questions functionality to see if this could be a front door where people put in various issues then we triage them to bugs/FAQs etc.<BR><BR> <DIV class=gmail_quote>---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR>From: <B class=gmail_sendername>Caroline</B> <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:question81566@answers.launchpad.net" target=_blank>question81566@answers.launchpad.net</A>></SPAN><BR>Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:28 PM<BR>Subject: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPA from CD + USB<BR>To: <A href="mailto:cmeeks@sugarlabs.org" target=_blank>cmeeks@sugarlabs.org</A><BR><BR><BR>New question #81566 on Sugar on a Stick:<BR><A href="https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566" target=_blank>https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566</A><BR><BR><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1A3FH08kQ" target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1A3FH08kQ</A><BR><BR>I've been able to boot with a CD and USB other macbooks, such as those at LGF. I've never seen this error before.<BR><BR>Anurag is going to try a Sugar and Fedora CD tomorrow.<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>--<BR>You received this question notification because you are a direct<BR>subscriber of the question.<BR></FONT></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Caroline Meeks<BR>Solution Grove<BR>Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<BR><BR>617-500-3488 - Office<BR>505-213-3268 - Fax<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV> <P></P> <HR> <P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>Sugar-devel mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target=_blank>Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</A><BR><A href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target=_blank>http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</A><BR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>Caroline Meeks<BR>Solution Grove<BR>Caroline@SolutionGrove.com<BR><BR>617-500-3488 - Office<BR>505-213-3268 - Fax<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>