Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software. Perhaps seeing it for himself will help, the authors certainly seem to care about what kids are using for their education. <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso<<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Kerr<<a href="mailto:billkerr@gmail.com">billkerr@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg <<a href="mailto:bert@freudenbergs.de">bert@freudenbergs.de</a>> >> wrote: >>> >>> On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: >>> >>> > n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender >>> > <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>> >> === Sugar Digest === >>> >> 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in >>> >> education (See <a href="http://windows7sins.org/" target="_blank">http://windows7sins.org/</a>) imputes OLPC in complicity >>> >> with Microsoft. It is disappointing that the FSF is not making any >>> >> constructive arguments in favor of free software alternatives to >>> >> Windows such as Sugar on GNU/Linux, which is currently shipped on >>> >> every machine distributed by OLPC. >>> > >>> > <a href="http://windows7sins.org/#1" target="_blank">http://windows7sins.org/#1</a> >>> > When I first saw it I interpreted that page as contrasting the xo as >>> > a positive alternative to Windows (and still think that is a valid >>> > interpretation) >>> > >>> > When I read what walter wrote above later I was shocked to realise >>> > that it could indeed be interpreted the way walter has, as well >>> > >>> > On revisiting I can't see any clarifying text there >>> >>> You need to click the "Learn more" link next to the XO picture. >>> >>> Citing from that concoction: >>> >>> "As a result, it is expected that the main effect of the OLPC project >>> -- if it succeeds -- will be to turn millions of children into >>> Microsoft dependents. That is a negative effect, to the point where >>> the world would be better off if the OLPC project had never existed. >>> The project tragically became yet another example of Microsoft >>> exerting its control to ends harmful to society's freedom." >>> >>> It's tragic how they undermine their allies' efforts in their blind >>> zealousness. >> >> I see it now, thanks Bert. I agree, it's far too zealous and purist. I agree >> with Luke too. >> ( I did click on that link before but it sometimes seems to just reload the >> same page) >> I do give the FSF an annual donation so I'll write to them and complain. I >> thought the over zealousness came more from some FSF supporters than the >> leadership but perhaps I was wrong. > > What I think is bad about the campaign is that they say that the OLPC > project is a vector for Microsoft when the truth is that it's being a > great vector for free software, regardless of what their leaders wish > or have said in the past. > > From reading the FSF campaign, people are supposed to think that > Microsoft is evil and OLPC bowed to their pressure and abandoned their > principles. This, I think can have much less impact that if people > learned that they can help us so more children have a great learning > experience with free software. > > So I wouldn't ask FSF to stop bashing MS, I would ask them to > publicize those projects that can have a big impact on their mission. </div></div>That is the point I was trying to make. I don't really care what FSF does re Microsoft, but they are missing out on an opportunity to promote a learning project that is aligned with FLOSS by ignoring Sugar. -walter <div class="im"> > Regards, > > Tomeu > > -- > ŤSugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. > What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.ť - David > Farning > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > </div>-- Walter Bender Sugar Labs <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> <div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove Caroline@SolutionGrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax