Hi Tomeu,<br><br>Could we add the details of this thread to <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Sound">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Sound</a> ?<br><br>Thanks<br><br>David<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
2009/7/13 Tomeu Vizoso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tomeu@sugarlabs.org">tomeu@sugarlabs.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 21:19, Art Hunkins<<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> Mike Gogins, a Csound developer, has taken care of the Scons issue with<br>
> Csound5.10, as discussed below.<br>
><br>
> I'd be overjoyed if one of you Sugar developers could take it from there so<br>
> that we can have SoaS with a Csound that works with python2.6.<br>
<br>
</div>SoaS is based on Fedora, so I'm adding fedora-olpc to CC. I think we<br>
need someone to read the thread your forwarded and update the Fedora<br>
ticket with an explanation of what's going on and what's the suggested<br>
way forward:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510423" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=510423</a><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Tomeu<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
> If I can help in any non-technical way, please let me know. I'm much obliged<br>
> to all your help.<br>
><br>
> Art Hunkins<br>
><br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: "Michael Gogins" <<a href="mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com">michael.gogins@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: "Art Hunkins" <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>>; "Developer discussions"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a>><br>
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:20 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound<br>
><br>
><br>
>>I patched SConstruct as suggested in the thread below. Somebody needs<br>
>> to update SConstruct from Csound CVS, rebuild Csound 5.10 using this<br>
>> patched SConstruct for Python 2.6, and then you need to install this<br>
>> new build.<br>
>><br>
>> Hope this helps,<br>
>> Mike<br>
>><br>
>> 1/09, Art Hunkins <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Mike,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sorry, I'm technically way over my head here. I'm referring to the thread<br>
>>> below.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sugar on a Stick includes Csound5.10 and Python2.6. The<br>
>>> incompatibilities,<br>
>>> apparently relating to Scons, are cited below. I'm not building anything;<br>
>>> I<br>
>>> just need the SoaS download or update to handle my Python script with<br>
>>> Csound5.10 correctly.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 5.10 doesn't work with a Python2.6 script currently. (I need 5.10 to be<br>
>>> able<br>
>>> to use multiple MIDI controllers.)<br>
>>><br>
>>> I don't know how to explain any better, and also don't know where (else)<br>
>>> to<br>
>>> turn. Should I be looking elsewhere? (I feel really stuck currently.)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Art Hunkins<br>
>>><br>
>>> Mike G. wrote:<br>
>>> Art - the Python version is controllable in Sconstruct. It works with<br>
>>> 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6 at present. Which version of Python do you need<br>
>>> Csound to work with, and how do you obtain or build Csound?<br>
>>><br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>> From: "Michael Gogins" <<a href="mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com">michael.gogins@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> To: "Art Hunkins" <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>>; "Developer discussions"<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a>><br>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:13 PM<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>> He says SConstruct has a bug, which he has patched. I think he's<br>
>>>> probably right, and I will patch SConstruct accordingly.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The bug makes the installation not know the right name (soname) for<br>
>>>> the csnd extension module shared library.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>> Mike<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 7/6/09, Art Hunkins <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> Victor and Mike G. (especially) -<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> You're familiar with my problems getting Csound5.10 working on SoaS.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Aleksey, one of the Sugar developers, sent me the "solution" (below) to<br>
>>>>> this<br>
>>>>> problem (a Scons issue apparently).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I don't know what to do with it, and look to you for either<br>
>>>>> implementation<br>
>>>>> or explanation.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'm really interested to get 5.10 working with Sugar.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>> From: "Aleksey Lim" <<a href="mailto:alsroot@member.fsf.org">alsroot@member.fsf.org</a>><br>
>>>>> To: "Art Hunkins" <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>><br>
>>>>> Cc: <<a href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">pbrobinson@gmail.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:csound@lists.bath.ac.uk">csound@lists.bath.ac.uk</a>>;<br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 3:37 AM<br>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound/Csound<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> looks like its a SConstruct issue<br>
>>>>>> <a href="https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2817271&group_id=81968&atid=564599" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2817271&group_id=81968&atid=564599</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> this patch fixed "import csnd" in my case<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/jhconvert/repos/mainline/blobs/master/patches/csound-2817271-soname.patch" target="_blank">http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/jhconvert/repos/mainline/blobs/master/patches/csound-2817271-soname.patch</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 05:49:23PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> As mentioned by a member of the sugar-devel list, it seems that a<br>
>>>>>>> csound<br>
>>>>>>> (5.10) install (yum install csound), does not install several crucial<br>
>>>>>>> site-specific and library packages (csnd, _csnd, libcsnd and perhaps<br>
>>>>>>> libcsound).<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Having to erase olpcsound before installing csound deletes these<br>
>>>>>>> files<br>
>>>>>>> and they don't get restored/reinstalled.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> So, to the procedures described below, before erasing olpcsound, I<br>
>>>>>>> saved<br>
>>>>>>> the above-listed files (there were 5 or 6), and once csound was<br>
>>>>>>> installed, added them back where they came from.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> This crude procedure didn't work, and the following error log is<br>
>>>>>>> quite<br>
>>>>>>> like the one I started with:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25:<br>
>>>>>>> DeprecationWarning:<br>
>>>>>>> the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> import sha<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in <module><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> main.main()<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py", line<br>
>>>>>>> 105,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> in main<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> module = __import__(module_name)<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/ourmusic.py", line<br>
>>>>>>> 41,<br>
>>>>>>> in <module><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> import csndsugui<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/csndsugui.py", line<br>
>>>>>>> 36,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> in <module><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> import csnd<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/csnd.py", line 7, in <module><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> import _csnd<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ImportError: /usr/lib/libcsnd.so.5.1: undefined symbol:<br>
>>>>>>> csoundGetInputBuffer<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I'd appreciate any suggestions as to how to get this all working.<br>
>>>>>>> Thanks.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">pbrobinson@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:csound@lists.bath.ac.uk">csound@lists.bath.ac.uk</a> ; <a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:57 PM<br>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I've just noted that the /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages folder<br>
>>>>>>> does<br>
>>>>>>> not include csnd.py. That folder also contains many fewer files that<br>
>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>>> corresponding one in python2.5.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> As a matter of fact, python2.5 seems about a third the size of 2.6.<br>
>>>>>>> Is<br>
>>>>>>> all this correct?<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:pbrobinson@gmail.com">pbrobinson@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:13 PM<br>
>>>>>>> Subject: Fw: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Hello, Peter,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Do you know what may be happening here? (Please see error log<br>
>>>>>>> below.)<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I've no idea why the module referenced (csd.py) is not found.<br>
>>>>>>> Please<br>
>>>>>>> also compare the log at the very bottom of this mail; this latter log<br>
>>>>>>> was<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> generated when running Csound*5.08*, also with python2.6.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Thanks for any insights.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>> To: Developer discussions<br>
>>>>>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:csound@lists.bath.ac.uk">csound@lists.bath.ac.uk</a><br>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:36 PM<br>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Here's the *next* chapter in the saga. Please note that this is<br>
>>>>>>> not<br>
>>>>>>> the *Windows* installation saga; it's the *Linux/Sugar* installation<br>
>>>>>>> saga.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> In our last episode, we noted that Csound5.08 was (apparently?)<br>
>>>>>>> incompatible with python2.6. At least this seemed a plausible<br>
>>>>>>> explanation<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> from the error log we saw.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> So, now Csound5.10 is available on Fedora(11) for download to<br>
>>>>>>> SoaS.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> First, I try update csound; "can't find any csound".<br>
>>>>>>> Second, install csound; it tries, but then says, "can't because<br>
>>>>>>> it<br>
>>>>>>> interferes with olpcsound" (OK, different name!)<br>
>>>>>>> Third, erase olpcsound; good<br>
>>>>>>> Fourth, install csound; good<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Then I run my Activity; it now crashes with the similar, but not<br>
>>>>>>> exact, error log below.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I thought perhaps I'd better start from scratch and did (reformat<br>
>>>>>>> USB<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> drive, etc). Thought probably the new SoaS iso incorporated<br>
>>>>>>> Csound5.10.<br>
>>>>>>> But no, I needed to essentially repeat the above steps, and ended<br>
>>>>>>> with<br>
>>>>>>> the same crash.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> The log: (any new ideas please?)<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25:<br>
>>>>>>> DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib<br>
>>>>>>> module<br>
>>>>>>> instead<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> import sha<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in <module><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> main.main()<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py",<br>
>>>>>>> line<br>
>>>>>>> 105, in main<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> module = __import__(module_name)<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/ourmusic.py",<br>
>>>>>>> line<br>
>>>>>>> 41, in <module><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> import csndsugui<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> File "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/csndsugui.py",<br>
>>>>>>> line<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> 36, in <module><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> import csnd<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ImportError: No module named csnd<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>>> From: victor<br>
>>>>>>> To: Art Hunkins ; Developer discussions<br>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:36 PM<br>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Because the 5.10 rpm has a python2.6 dependency. But that might<br>
>>>>>>> be the case for 5.08 too (I am not sure).<br>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>> To: Developer discussions<br>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:22 AM<br>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> I just noticed that the current OLPC build includes Python<br>
>>>>>>> 2.5,<br>
>>>>>>> whereas SoaS includes Python 2.6<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Csound 5.08.91 is currently in both. Wouldn't this explain<br>
>>>>>>> why<br>
>>>>>>> 5.08.91 doesn't work on SoaS? And why 5.10 should?<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie">Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie</a><br>
>>>>>>> To: Developer discussions<br>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:38 PM<br>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> The message is strange, but it does not say there is a<br>
>>>>>>> Python<br>
>>>>>>> version mismatch. However, having said that, the 5.08.91<br>
>>>>>>> rpm was built with 2.5 (unless what you have there is<br>
>>>>>>> another<br>
>>>>>>> build that somehow uses 2.6).<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> What the message says is that the library module Python<br>
>>>>>>> tried to load does not have one of the API functions. The<br>
>>>>>>> reason for this I don't know.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Victor<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>>>>>> From: Art Hunkins <<a href="mailto:abhunkin@uncg.edu">abhunkin@uncg.edu</a>><br>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:19 pm<br>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound<br>
>>>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> > Victor, Brian and Mike G. -<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > I'd like to ask again regarding this SoaS log, and what<br>
>>>>>>> it<br>
>>>>>>> > suggests about<br>
>>>>>>> > the crash of my OurMusic activity.<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > The version of Csound is 5.08.91, libsndfile is 1.0.17.<br>
>>>>>>> And<br>
>>>>>>> as<br>
>>>>>>> > you can see<br>
>>>>>>> > Python 2.6 and libcsnd.so.5.1 are referenced in the log.<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > Is the difficulty incompatible versions of Python and/or<br>
>>>>>>> > libsndfile/libcsnd.so.5.1?<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > A member of the sugar-devel list suggested that the<br>
>>>>>>> problem<br>
>>>>>>> > might well be<br>
>>>>>>> > solved with Csound5.10 (Fedora 11) which will be<br>
>>>>>>> available<br>
>>>>>>> > through yum<br>
>>>>>>> > update later this week. (It's apparently ready to go.)<br>
>>>>>>> What<br>
>>>>>>> do<br>
>>>>>>> > you imagine?<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > The log:<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/util.py:25:<br>
>>>>>>> > DeprecationWarning: the<br>
>>>>>>> > sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > import sha<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > Traceback (most recent call last):<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 21, in <module><br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > main.main()<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > File<br>
>>>>>>> "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/sugar/activity/main.py",<br>
>>>>>>> > line 105, in<br>
>>>>>>> > main<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > module = __import__(module_name)<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > File<br>
>>>>>>> "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/ourmusic.py",<br>
>>>>>>> > line 41, in<br>
>>>>>>> > <module><br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > import csndsugui<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > File<br>
>>>>>>> "/home/liveuser/Activities/OurMusic.activity/csndsugui.py",<br>
>>>>>>> > line 36, in<br>
>>>>>>> > <module><br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > import csnd<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/csnd.py", line 7,<br>
>>>>>>> in<br>
>>>>>>> > <module><br>
>>>>>>> > import _csnd<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > ImportError: /usr/lib/libcsnd.so.5.1: undefined symbol:<br>
>>>>>>> > csoundGetInputBuffer<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > Thanks -<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> > Art Hunkins<br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> ><br>
>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>>>>> > -------------<br>
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>>>>>>> > <a href="mailto:Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br>
>>>>>>> > <a href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel</a><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini, Senior Lecturer, Dept. of Music,<br>
>>>>>>> National University of Ireland, Maynooth<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
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>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>> Aleksey<br>
>>>>><br>
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