Thanks David great explanation. and David, I totally agree that LTSP is the right technical solution for this computer lab. Next year, perhaps we will have the level of trust and political clout to implement it. There is yet another reason I want to know if we can speed up these computers and ones like it. Part of the Sugar on a Stick vision is the kids having a computer at home. So next year, when we replace the computer lab with LTSP, we will probably send the existing boxes home with kids who don't have computers. If for less then $10 and a hour of volunteer time we can send a kid home with a snappy system vs a pokey one, I think that is totally worth it and that we will not have trouble finding the volunteers to do the work. <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:19 PM, David Farning <<a href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM, David Van Assche<<a href="mailto:dvanassche@gmail.com">dvanassche@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > When it come to older pcs, it really makes sense to try and use LTSP. We > have created a kiwi-ltsp usb stick for openSUSE, which gives a portable ltsp > server wherever u plug it in. In most cases it would make sense for this to > be the most powerful computer. It is as easy as installing the sugar and > sugar activities meta packages on this usb image and the users on the ltsp > network then have access to Sugar from any computer in the network, and they > are bound to load faster than from a usb image. The advantage is u need one > usb stick per network, as opposed to one for each terminal... that saves > costs, and time. Also, u dont need any of the old hardware, such as cdrom > drives, hard drives, etc. Networking and internet is also no issue as if it > works on the server, it has to work on each of the terminals too... </div>SoaS is also working on a slightly different issue. I didn't understand it until Caroline explained it for about the 100th time yesterday:) In addition to all the technical hurdles. Sugar on a Stick is tackling the _bureaucratic_ issue of installing and running Sugar (or any software) on systems which one doesn't have admin access. In many schools it can be difficult to get the authority to install software or modify the configuration on their computers. SoaS circumvents that problem by replacing 'install a new OS' with 'insert the stick and turn it on.' The piece that I was _misunderstanding_ was that all of the technically hurdles that SoaS introduces are worth the ability to circumvent the bureaucratic hurdles. FWIW, at least in developed nations.... Once you get the bureaucratic permission to 'install' Sugar, a client-server configuration is most palatable to the existing generation of elementary school sysadmins. david <div><div></div><div class="h5"> > kind Regards, > David (nubae) Van Assche > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Caroline Meeks >> <<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>> wrote: >>> >>> Let me echo Caryl's question. Do we have a page with tasks for new >>> volunteers? >> >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO</a> has been restored and >> is ready to be updated, perhaps restructured to cover this need. >> >> --Fred >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a></div></div></blockquote></div> -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove Caroline@SolutionGrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax