That's a good point, and I understand the thinking behind it, as if you are not 'changing' anything in an existing setup, people are less afraid that things might go terribly wrong. That's the reason we have ltsp on a usb stick... because you can stick in a server, and test it without installing anything. Think of it as SoaS server with beaurocratic advantages included (taking care of networking, providing Sugar images, setting up user accounts, providng collaboration if necessary. It is by no means the XS server, nor should it try to be that, its just the desktop environment part with ejabberd, if needed.. of course, it only works in wired environments. kind Regards, David (nubae) Van Assche <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:19 PM, David Farning <<a href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM, David Van Assche<<a href="mailto:dvanassche@gmail.com">dvanassche@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > When it come to older pcs, it really makes sense to try and use LTSP. We > have created a kiwi-ltsp usb stick for openSUSE, which gives a portable ltsp > server wherever u plug it in. In most cases it would make sense for this to > be the most powerful computer. It is as easy as installing the sugar and > sugar activities meta packages on this usb image and the users on the ltsp > network then have access to Sugar from any computer in the network, and they > are bound to load faster than from a usb image. The advantage is u need one > usb stick per network, as opposed to one for each terminal... that saves > costs, and time. Also, u dont need any of the old hardware, such as cdrom > drives, hard drives, etc. Networking and internet is also no issue as if it > works on the server, it has to work on each of the terminals too... </div>SoaS is also working on a slightly different issue. I didn't understand it until Caroline explained it for about the 100th time yesterday:) In addition to all the technical hurdles. Sugar on a Stick is tackling the _bureaucratic_ issue of installing and running Sugar (or any software) on systems which one doesn't have admin access. In many schools it can be difficult to get the authority to install software or modify the configuration on their computers. SoaS circumvents that problem by replacing 'install a new OS' with 'insert the stick and turn it on.' The piece that I was _misunderstanding_ was that all of the technically hurdles that SoaS introduces are worth the ability to circumvent the bureaucratic hurdles. FWIW, at least in developed nations.... Once you get the bureaucratic permission to 'install' Sugar, a client-server configuration is most palatable to the existing generation of elementary school sysadmins. david <div><div></div><div class="h5"> > kind Regards, > David (nubae) Van Assche > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Caroline Meeks >> <<a href="mailto:caroline@solutiongrove.com">caroline@solutiongrove.com</a>> wrote: >>> >>> Let me echo Caryl's question. Do we have a page with tasks for new >>> volunteers? >> >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO</a> has been restored and >> is ready to be updated, perhaps restructured to cover this need. >> >> --Fred >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > </div></div></blockquote></div>