Perhaps not a lot of help but I like the last one on <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page</a> If it was easier to change the school logo that would be great. <div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <<a href="mailto:eben.eliason@gmail.com">eben.eliason@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo</a> >> >> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too >> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is >> possible (networks being connected to at startup?) >> >> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can >> (travelling today) >> >> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example >> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to >> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after >> the Sugar spash page > > Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with > several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same > time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels > (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the > UI. > > I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and > then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain > a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the > sugar logo. Thoughts? +1 >> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version >> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, > > I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. > Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to > find that info. > >> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the >> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not >> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad >> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We >> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84 >> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many >> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow >> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education >> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside >> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make >> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in >> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for >> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases); >> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of >> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping >> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity) >> is a key aspect of that. >> >> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a >> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple? > > We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the > center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The > info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, which > might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for > the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps > directly to the correct settings panel. > > We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, removing > it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own modal > dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item. > > I would be fine with either approach. > >> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen; >> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version >> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the Control >> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar >> has room I think. > > There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be > needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you > want to carry with you all the time. > >> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if >> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity >> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the >> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach >> which would let us skip info in the splash screen. >> >> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color >> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color is the >> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. > > I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but > changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support > that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping > around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major > releases (2 per year, on average). > > > Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are > still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but won't > be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring the XO > in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be > introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of that > metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to > identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar logo > colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't seem > fit within that concept. > > Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go back > to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but > simple and clean and matches the UI. > > Eben > >> thanks >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' metaphor for the >>> growing ring. >>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise orange to >>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets (perhaps >>> the darker one last). ?These are just common earth metaphors that might come >>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog or digital >>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead of them. >>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on the >>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a home--a safe >>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. ?"Will I grow >>> too like the graphic is suggesting?" >>> OK, these are just potential metaphors... >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I like that a lot. >>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the 'About my >>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed after >>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous about >>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.) >>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic guidelines' >>>> page for deployments and packagers. >>>> I suggest you try this sequence: >>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential) >>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe) >>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me? Will I >>>> grow too as suggested?) >>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, ?pausing, usually a >>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing the name of >>>> this tool and those who built it for me) ? ? ? ? Do we want a gray Sugar >>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix? >>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the Sugar Home >>>> view.) >>>> Thanks everyone! ? ? ? --Fred >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki: >>>>> >>>>> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page</a> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>> > I mostly like it. ?Seems to be close to what we want for now. >>>>> > Please consider these adjustments: >>>>> > 1. ?No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" panel). >>>>> > 2. ?Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) to fit the >>>>> > other >>>>> > elements, leave out the fine print. >>>>> > 3. ?Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no unfilled >>>>> > place >>>>> > holders). ?I feel more?anticipation and?suspense from the ring growing >>>>> > without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the completed >>>>> > color >>>>> > burst. >>>>> > ?? ? ? ?Thank you! ? ? ? ?--Fred >>>>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Here's the second mockup: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page</a> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a "growing" or >>>>> >> "approaching" XO avatar. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Comments welcome please. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> thanks >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Sean >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Marketing mailing list >>>>> > <a href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>>>> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Marketing mailing list >>> <a href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> >> > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:35:33 +0100 From: Gary C Martin <<a href="mailto:gary@garycmartin.com">gary@garycmartin.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] [SoaS] Request for � � � �Artwork: � � � �Boot Screen To: Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> Cc: Christian Marc Schmidt <<a href="mailto:christianmarc@gmail.com">christianmarc@gmail.com</a>>, � Sugar Devel � � � �<<a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>>, � � �Eben Eliason � � � �<<a href="mailto:eben.eliason@gmail.com">eben.eliason@gmail.com</a>>, � � � Marketing <<a href="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>>, � � � �anything <<a href="mailto:anything@christianmarcschmidt.com">anything@christianmarcschmidt.com</a>>, � iaep � � � �<<a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:72EDD1C7-8F95-4097-9380-A0E253AD806F@garycmartin.com">72EDD1C7-8F95-4097-9380-A0E253AD806F@garycmartin.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote: > Yes that would be very helpful I think I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation. > If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames > over the weekend we will meet the deadline > > but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have > is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc) Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a "save for web" away. Regards, --Gary > thanks > > Sean > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt > <<a href="mailto:christianmarc@gmail.com">christianmarc@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> I agree with Eben's points below... >> >> Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is >> describing? >> >> Christian >> >> >> On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason <<a href="mailto:eben.eliason@gmail.com">eben.eliason@gmail.com</a>> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <<a href="mailto:eben.eliason@gmail.com">eben.eliason@gmail.com</a> >>> > >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo</a> >>>>> >>>>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too >>>>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is >>>>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?) >>>>> >>>>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can >>>>> (travelling today) >>>>> >>>>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the >>>>> example >>>>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to >>>>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or >>>>> after >>>>> the Sugar spash page >>>> >>>> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with >>>> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same >>>> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that >>>> feels >>>> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from >>>> the >>>> UI. >>>> >>>> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads >>>> powerfully, and >>>> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could >>>> entertain >>>> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the >>>> sugar logo. Thoughts? >>>> >>>>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version >>>>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, >>>> >>>> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. >>>> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot >>>> just to >>>> find that info. >>>> >>>>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have >>>>> the >>>>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners >>>>> might not >>>>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad >>>>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about >>>>> versioning). We >>>>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running >>>>> v0..84 >>>>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many >>>>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we >>>>> hope) sow >>>>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education >>>>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... >>>>> aside >>>>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to >>>>> make >>>>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in >>>>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for >>>>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press >>>>> releases); >>>>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of >>>>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping >>>>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each >>>>> Activity) >>>>> is a key aspect of that. >>>>> >>>>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time >>>>> (especially a >>>>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from >>>>> Apple? >>>> >>>> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the >>>> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. >>>> The >>>> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, >>>> which >>>> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design >>>> for >>>> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps >>>> directly to the correct settings panel. >>>> >>>> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, >>>> removing >>>> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own >>>> modal >>>> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item. >>>> >>>> I would be fine with either approach. >>>> >>>>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the >>>>> screen; >>>>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX >>>>> version >>>>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the >>>>> Control >>>>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The >>>>> bottom bar >>>>> has room I think. >>>> >>>> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only >>>> be >>>> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information >>>> you >>>> want to carry with you all the time. >>>> >>>>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if >>>>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity >>>>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the >>>>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good >>>>> approach >>>>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen. >>>>> >>>>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo >>>>> color >>>>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color >>>>> is the >>>>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. >>>> >>>> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but >>> >>> I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually >>> think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome >>> idea. >>> >>> Eben >>> >>>> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support >>>> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping >>>> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major >>>> releases (2 per year, on average). >>>> >>>> >>>> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are >>>> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but >>>> won't >>>> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring >>>> the XO >>>> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be >>>> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of >>>> that >>>> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to >>>> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar >>>> logo >>>> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't >>>> seem >>>> fit within that concept. >>>> >>>> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go >>>> back >>>> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but >>>> simple and clean and matches the UI. >>>> >>>> Eben >>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' >>>>>> metaphor for >>>>>> the >>>>>> growing ring. >>>>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise >>>>>> orange to >>>>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets >>>>>> (perhaps >>>>>> the darker one last). �These are just common earth metaphors >>>>>> that might >>>>>> come >>>>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog >>>>>> or >>>>>> digital >>>>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day >>>>>> ahead of >>>>>> them. >>>>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically >>>>>> on the >>>>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a >>>>>> home--a >>>>>> safe >>>>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. >>>>>> "Will I >>>>>> grow >>>>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?" >>>>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a> >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like that a lot. >>>>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the >>>>>>> 'About my >>>>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed >>>>>>> after >>>>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me >>>>>>> nervous about >>>>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.) >>>>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic >>>>>>> guidelines' >>>>>>> page for deployments and packagers. >>>>>>> I suggest you try this sequence: >>>>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential) >>>>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe) >>>>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for >>>>>>> me? Will I >>>>>>> grow too as suggested?) >>>>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, �pausing, usually a >>>>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing >>>>>>> the name >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> this tool and those who built it for me) � � � � Do we want a >>>>>>> gray >>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix? >>>>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the >>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>> Home >>>>>>> view.) >>>>>>> Thanks everyone! � � � --Fred >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page</a> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I mostly like it. �Seems to be close to what we want for now. >>>>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments: >>>>>>>>> 1. �No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" >>>>>>>>> panel). >>>>>>>>> 2. �Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) >>>>>>>>> to fit >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print. >>>>>>>>> 3. �Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no >>>>>>>>> unfilled >>>>>>>>> place >>>>>>>>> holders). �I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring >>>>>>>>> growing >>>>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the >>>>>>>>> completed >>>>>>>>> color >>>>>>>>> burst. >>>>>>>>> � � � �Thank you! � � � �--Fred >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page</a> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a >>>>>>>>>> "growing" >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Comments welcome please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>>>>>>>> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>>> <a href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>>>>> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>>> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>>>> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> >>>>> >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Marketing mailing list > <a href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:38:11 -0400 From: Eben Eliason <<a href="mailto:eben.eliason@gmail.com">eben.eliason@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for � � � �Artwork: � � � �Boot Screen To: Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> Cc: anything <<a href="mailto:anything@christianmarcschmidt.com">anything@christianmarcschmidt.com</a>>, � � � Marketing � � � �<<a href="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>>, iaep <<a href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>>, � � � �Sugar Devel <<a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>> Message-ID: � � � �<<a href="mailto:948b197c0906040838s1d29758au86d8f84b95b982af@mail.gmail.com">948b197c0906040838s1d29758au86d8f84b95b982af@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason <<a href="mailto:eben.eliason@gmail.com">eben.eliason@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo</a> >>> >>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too >>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is >>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?) >>> >>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can >>> (travelling today) >>> >>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the example >>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to >>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after >>> the Sugar spash page >> >> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with >> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same >> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels >> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the >> UI. >> >> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, and >> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain >> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the >> sugar logo. Thoughts? > > +1 I don't have an XO nearby my to try this, so perhaps someone could investigate for me. We also need to decide how many frames we show the Sugar logo for before switching over to the XO. One frame might not be long enough. This is important because the number of dots shown (if we do dots) will be directly impacted. I'd wager that the Sugar logo should remain for perhaps somewhere from 10% to 25% of the boot duration (which may or may not be anything close to 1/10 or 1/4 of the frames). Eben >>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version >>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, >> >> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. >> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to >> find that info. >> >>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the >>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might not >>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad >>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We >>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running v0..84 >>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many >>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) sow >>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education >>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside >>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to make >>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in >>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for >>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases); >>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of >>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping >>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity) >>> is a key aspect of that. >>> >>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time (especially a >>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from Apple? >> >> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the >> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The >> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, which >> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for >> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps >> directly to the correct settings panel. >> >> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, removing >> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own modal >> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item. >> >> I would be fine with either approach. >> >>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen; >>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX version >>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the Control >>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom bar >>> has room I think. >> >> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be >> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you >> want to carry with you all the time. >> >>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if >>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity >>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the >>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good approach >>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen. >>> >>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color >>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color is the >>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. >> >> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but >> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support >> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping >> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major >> releases (2 per year, on average). >> >> >> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are >> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but won't >> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring the XO >> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be >> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of that >> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to >> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar logo >> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't seem >> fit within that concept. >> >> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go back >> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but >> simple and clean and matches the UI. >> >> Eben >> >>> thanks >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' metaphor for the >>>> growing ring. >>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise orange to >>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets (perhaps >>>> the darker one last). ?These are just common earth metaphors that might come >>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog or digital >>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead of them. >>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on the >>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a home--a safe >>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. ?"Will I grow >>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?" >>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors... >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I like that a lot. >>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the 'About my >>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed after >>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous about >>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.) >>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic guidelines' >>>>> page for deployments and packagers. >>>>> I suggest you try this sequence: >>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential) >>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe) >>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me? Will I >>>>> grow too as suggested?) >>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, ?pausing, usually a >>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing the name of >>>>> this tool and those who built it for me) ? ? ? ? Do we want a gray Sugar >>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix? >>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the Sugar Home >>>>> view.) >>>>> Thanks everyone! ? ? ? --Fred >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki: >>>>>> >>>>>> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose <<a href="mailto:fgrose@gmail.com">fgrose@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>>> > I mostly like it. ?Seems to be close to what we want for now. >>>>>> > Please consider these adjustments: >>>>>> > 1. ?No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" panel). >>>>>> > 2. ?Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) to fit the >>>>>> > other >>>>>> > elements, leave out the fine print. >>>>>> > 3. ?Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no unfilled >>>>>> > place >>>>>> > holders). ?I feel more?anticipation and?suspense from the ring growing >>>>>> > without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the completed >>>>>> > color >>>>>> > burst. >>>>>> > ?? ? ? ?Thank you! ? ? ? ?--Fred >>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <<a href="http://sdaly.be" target="_blank">sdaly.be</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Here's the second mockup: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page</a> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a "growing" or >>>>>> >> "approaching" XO avatar. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Comments welcome please. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> thanks >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Sean >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Marketing mailing list >>>>>> > <a href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>>>>> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Marketing mailing list >>>> <a href="mailto:Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">Marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>>> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing</a> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >>> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> <a href="mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org">IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep</a> >> > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> End of Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 8, Issue 20 ****************************************** </blockquote></div> -- - Andr�s Arrieta Perr�ard (XE1YAA)