(note: I suggest below that we use caps-lock as the frame key)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/4/30 Gary C Martin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gary@garycmartin.com">gary@garycmartin.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Still think this is a tough, disruptive sell for very small gains. We should focus on getting activity authors (and sugar) using the now fully functioning accelerator feature to self document shortcuts.</blockquote><div><br>
Which part? This is actually three separate proposals: "discoverable" (translucent letters), "ubiquitous" (auto-assignment), and "consistent" (rearranging). Your comments about "consistent" are below, but I don't know if the above refers to "discoverable" or "ubiquitous". If you mean that ubiquity is a small gain, noted; if you mean discoverability, I disagree and would like to hear you elaborate your argument.<br>
<br>Also, since I'm coding, "tough" is a weak criticism.<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
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On 1 May 2009, at 03:28, Jameson Quinn wrote:<br>
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I am interested in making our keyboard shortcuts discoverable, ubiquitous, and consistent.<br>
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'0x93' : 'frame',<br>
'Insert' : 'frame', #for SoaS<br>
'0x00' : 'frame', #for SoaS on Xephyr, see below.<br>
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None of my 3 Mac laptops has an Insert key, and the standard keyboard that ships with iMac desktops also has no insert. Think all Macs currently ship with such keyboards, sans numeric pad, though you can make a custom order for "Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad"... actually, just checked that key layout as well and no insert key either – but hey, you get 19 function keys for your money ;-)<br>
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<br>I'd vote for caps lock. This is, of course, somewhat more radical than most of my other suggestions, so needs discussion.<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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'<alt><ctrl>Escape' : 'close_window_discard_from_journal',<br>
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Not sure what this one is.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Close the activity but don't show the naming dialog. Delete the resulting journal entry.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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#... alt-numeral should be like the top row of the frame, so alt-5 would be journal<br>
#and alt-6 first running activity<br>
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So is the reason behind this idea to help keyboards without any F keys? Should this not also include the F5 key being made to show the Journal (equiv. to open_search I think).<br>
</blockquote><div><br>This is for keyboards without F keys, but it also gives a natural way to get the journal and individual activities. alt-shift-N with N>5 could be "close activity N-5". I think that F5 should be available to individual activities, so I'd vote against F5/Journal. I'd accept the majority decision, though.<br>
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# the following are intended for emulator users<br>
# '<alt><shift>f' : 'frame', #removed<br></div>
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# '<alt><shift>r' : 'rotate', #removed<br>
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Why the removals?? Now I would have no working keys at all for accessing the frame!<br>
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Also, ctrl-numeral would choose toolbars, and toolbar tabs would get little translucent numbers when you held control.<br>
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So what happens to an activity that uses some ctrl-numerals already (labyrinth does)?<br>
</blockquote><div><br>could it use F5-F8? I don't know what it does with these. In practice, the activity could get them by assigning them before creating that toolbar; ideally, I'd like this to be a consistent standard.<br>
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For my bike-shed, I'd be happy with F1-F4 as is, F5 can be Journal, F6 could be frame, then we could make little bits of printed card with icons on, and kids could sticky-tape them just above their F keys ;-)<br>
</blockquote><div><br>OK, that's a vote. I vote against you. May the best bike-shed win! (And since I don't understand what your position on discoverable and ubiquitous is, I can't count your vote there).<br>
<br>Jameson<br></div></div><br>