Hi. >I now believe that javascript + html5 is a much better >bet because it better adheres to our common belief in open-source and >allows "View Source." If the intention is to use completely open source Bryan Berry is quite right. However, leaving aside a flash, it's a big decision, I would remind you that 3D interfaces are possible. Papervision (Open Source) is a set of libraries pioneer in the field. The latest version of Adobe Flash IDE natively include some 3d effects and capacities. FelipeLT. <div class="gmail_quote">2009/3/18 Jameson Quinn <<a href="mailto:jameson.quinn@gmail.com" target="_blank">jameson.quinn@gmail.com</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I think that for a GSoC project, we care less about development kits/IDEs like aptana, than about desktop-apps-with-AJAX solutions like Appcelerator Titanium, Mozilla Prism (and in closed-source world, Adobe AIR and Curl). I think it would be a great project to take Titanium or Prism and make a generic sugar-like hello-world which used Javascript to save to the journal, set some tags, open a file, coexist with Rainbow, and have a sugary toolbar. Whether you worked on that activity with Aptana or whatever is a separate issue. Disclaimer: I know nothing under the hood about any of the products mentioned here, so I could be totally wrong. Jameson<div><div></div><div> <div class="gmail_quote"> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Bryan Berry <<a href="mailto:bryan@olenepal.org" target="_blank">bryan@olenepal.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">They don't compare currently but they are developing rapidly, particularly aptana <a href="http://www.aptana.com" target="_blank">http://www.aptana.com</a>. The great thing about aptana is that there is for-profit company behind it that seems to do a good job of sponsoring open-source development. Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for js+html5 for all apps place of flash. <div><div></div><div> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:47 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > 2009/3/18 Bryan Berry <<a href="mailto:bryan.berry@gmail.com" target="_blank">bryan.berry@gmail.com</a>>: > > Felipe, > > > > "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true > > > > However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years behind macromedia flash. > > the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3 to Gnash. > > > > I don't think that better integrating Gnash into Sugar would be the best > > use of your time. The better bet is to integrate activities created with > > javascript + html5 into Sugar. > > > > I earlier advocated a framework called "Karma" for integrating flash > > swfs into Sugar. I now believe that javascript + html5 is a much better > > bet because it better adheres to our common belief in open-source and > > allows "View Source." Also, there are far more javascript developers out > > there than flash developers. This new rework of Karma could take > > advantage of projects like jquery-UI and new javascript animation > > libraries like processing.js and GX. > > That looks very interesting, but what about authoring tools for > javascript+html5? Are any that compare to the flash authoring tools? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > > You could start out by trying to recreate some of OLE Nepal's existing > > flash activities as javascript + html5. You can find some here: > > <a href="http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html" target="_blank">http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html</a> > > > > If you are interested in such a project, I am definitely be interested > > in mentoring you. I have to warn you though that I am professionally a > > project manager and not a software engineer. In fact my software > > development skills are extremely limited beyond writing broken python > > scripts. > > > > > > -- > > Bryan W. Berry > > Technology Director > > OLE Nepal, <a href="http://www.olenepal.org" target="_blank">http://www.olenepal.org</a> > > > > > > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: > >> Flash is still not open source, and that creates issues when > >> distributing it (Adobe does not let you include it pre-installed in > >> images for download). > >> > >> Bryan Berry from OLE Nepal (cc:ed on this mail) has some good ideas > >> about how that idea should work, though he's not signed up as a > >> mentor. You should think about your design, and then discuss it with > >> him AND on the sugar-devel mailing list. > >> > >> Jameson > >> > >> 2009/3/17 Felipe López Toledo <<a href="mailto:zer.subzero@gmail.com" target="_blank">zer.subzero@gmail.com</a>> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> I'm interested: > >> SWF Sugar > >> * Integrate SWF (Flash/Gnash) > >> applications into Sugar. > >> * Ideally, develop a demo activity which > >> could be used as a template for > >> sugarizing Flash/Gnash activities. > >> * Priority for Sugar: Very High ("never > >> bet against the browser") > >> * Difficulty (as a GSoC project): hard > >> * Skills needed: SWF/Python integration > >> > >> why Gnash?, there is already a stable version of adobe player > >> for linux. > >> > >> really have very good ideas. Interesting! > >> > >> Greetings. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jameson Quinn > >> <<a href="mailto:jameson.quinn@gmail.com" target="_blank">jameson.quinn@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > >> <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas</a> > >> > >> Good hunting :) > >> > >> Jameson > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Felipe López Toledo > >> <<a href="mailto:zer.subzero@gmail.com" target="_blank">zer.subzero@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > >> Hi. > >> > >> I'm Felipe López Toledo, a university student > >> I read your message > >> (<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/0cf911eb31087cd7?hl=en" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/0cf911eb31087cd7?hl=en</a>) > >> I visited > >> <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=page&page=learners" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=page&page=learners</a> > >> > >> relly good work!. > >> > >> it would be nice to see you in the GSoC 2009. > >> by the way, do you have a project list? > >> > >> thanks. > >> > >> Felipe > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -- > > Bryan W. Berry > > Technology Director > > OLE Nepal, <a href="http://www.olenepal.org" target="_blank">http://www.olenepal.org</a> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > </div></div>-- <div><div></div><div>Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, <a href="http://www.olenepal.org" target="_blank">http://www.olenepal.org</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> </div></div></blockquote></div>