<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:43 AM, David Farning <<a href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Tony, As far as running Jhbuild, I would look at <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Jhbuild" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Jhbuild</a> It is quite a bit more up to date then the resources you are looking at. Have you seen the work that the Sugar on a Stick people are doing at <a href="http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick" target="_blank">http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick</a> ? It is basically a live CD of Sugar running on a USB stick instead of a Live CD.  This gives the user the option of saving their work. On the other hand, burning the .iso found on the SoaS page should get you a working Sugar based liveCD. Caroline Meeks is heading up this effort. thanks david</blockquote><div> So is sugar on a stick a suitable development environment. Could it be used as an environment for minor hacking of say, turtle art and saving changes? My understanding is that since Sugar is written in Python and Python is an interpreted language then the answer to my question might be yes. Is there anything missing from sugar on a stick that developers who use sugar-jhbuild value and use regularly? Would a developer be inconvenienced in some way by using sugar on a stick? Are some version of sugar on a stick better or worse than others for say hacking turtle art? eg. as well as the official version there is Wolfgang Rohrmoser's version. Is that equivalent? Is there any advantage to using sugar-jhbuild, instead of sugar on a stick? For educators who are not developers using sugar on a stick looks more convenient. ie. to get sugar-jhbuild you need a linux computer, git and then sort through dependency problems as they arise. Bread and butter for developers but not everyones cup of tea. There are also technical complexities involved in  using emulators with the added disadvantage that they might run slow. I'm aware that some developers of other software use IDEs such as Eclipse which contain a full suite of useful tools for development. I've never used Eclipse but have used briefly similar sorts of tools (well some of them) in Smalltalk / Squeak. That is the sort of distinction I'm inquiring about - but there may be other important distinctions that I'm not aware of - you don't know what you don't know. Our goal here is simply to put the toe in the water and be able to hack turtle art, as a starter. The blockage point identified here is a convenient way to obtain a developers environment. Known unknowns: All the things you know you don't know Unknown unknowns: All the things you don't know you don't know Errors: All the things you think you know but don't Unknown knowns: All the things you don't know you know Taboos: Dangerous, polluting or forbidden knowledge Denials: All the things too painful to know, so you don't  </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > Forwarding to list > > -walter <div class="Ih2E3d">> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From:  <<a href="mailto:forster@ozonline.com.au">forster@ozonline.com.au</a>> > Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:27 PM > Subject: sugar-jhbuild </div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> To: <a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a> > Cc: <a href="mailto:paultz@gmail.com">paultz@gmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>, > <a href="mailto:Costello.Rob.R@edumail.vic.gov.au">Costello.Rob.R@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>, <a href="mailto:billkerr@gmail.com">billkerr@gmail.com</a>, > <a href="mailto:joel.stan@gmail.com">joel.stan@gmail.com</a> > > > Walter, > > I was wondering, would it be possible to make a live CD with Linux and > sugar jhbuild and the source code for a few activities all on it and > use that for teachers and students to hack and test activities? > > Tony > > From: Bill Kerr <<a href="mailto:billkerr@gmail.com">billkerr@gmail.com</a>> > Date: Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:19 PM > Subject: sugar-jhbuild > To: Paul T <<a href="mailto:paultz@gmail.com">paultz@gmail.com</a>>, Tony Forster <<a href="mailto:forster@ozonline.com.au">forster@ozonline.com.au</a>>, > Roland Gesthuizen <<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>>, "Costello, Rob R" < > <a href="mailto:Costello.Rob.R@edumail.vic.gov.au">Costello.Rob.R@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> > > > <a href="http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/02/23/building-the-xo-introducing-sugar/" target="_blank">http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/02/23/building-the-xo-introducing-sugar/</a> > > this (old) article explains what sort of thing sugar-jhbuild is and where > the jh in the name comes from - the 3 paragraphs under the 'Sugar Basics' > heading > > this looks to me to be a better way to go than using emulators but still not > easy > > the not easy quirkiness is confirmed by reading this: > <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_with_sugar-jhbuild" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar_with_sugar-jhbuild</a> > > joel told me that he was making an activity using sugar-jhbuild but ran into > some buggy issues that he couldn't solve even with the help of a couple of > the developers > > > > > > > </div></div>> -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > </blockquote></div>