Ok! I got this to work. thank you Ubuntu developers but talk about screwing in your own seat!  Is there an easier way to help people create USBs? On SLAX we created a zip file then there was a boot file (2 versions actually one for linux and one for windows) that is run to make the stick bootable:  <a href="http://schoolkey.net/wiki/creating-keys">http://schoolkey.net/wiki/creating-keys</a> Is there a way I can I copy my USB and make the new one bootable so I don't have to go through the whole process again?  The USB boots up to Sugar, which is what I want. Is there a way for me to also access the underlying Ubuntu? Here is my feedback on making the existing directions more friendly. <ol><li>Download the stock <a href="http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso">ubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386.iso</a> and burn it</li></ol>Yup, I can do this. <ol><li>Boot from this CD and from there, use <a href="http://klik.atekon.de/liveusb" target="_blank">LiveUSB</a> to copy the system to USB stick (use a stick with 1-2 GB capacity as problems have been reported with larger ones)</li></ol>Ok so when you follow this link you eventually end up at this page.  <a href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/">http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/</a> Please provide instructions on exactly what to download. I picked <a href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/probono/ubuntu/pool/main/l/liveusb/liveusb_0.1.1_all.deb">liveusb_0.1.1_all.deb</a> Then also provide instructions on exactly what the user should do to install it.  I fumbled around and eventually it opened, but I couldn't actually tell someone else how to do it. Then provide instruction on exactly which options to set.  I picked both persistence and flash and the flash ended up giving me an error. <ol><li>If you use the persistence option, you need to replace casper/initrd.gz on the stick with the bugfixed <a href="http://dev.laptop.org/%7Eprobono/sbuntu/initrd.gz">initrd.gz</a> provided here. </li></ol>The Casper direction is write protected. Please provide instructions on how to deal with that. What is this? Why am I doing it? <ol><li>Add the file <a href="http://dev.laptop.org/%7Eprobono/sbuntu/sugar.squashfs">sugar.squashfs</a> to the directory casper/ on the USB stick</li></ol>Again the write protection on Casper made this more of a challenge then might be expected. <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:19 AM, David Farning <<a href="mailto:dfarning@sugarlabs.org">dfarning@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">It looks like our friends at Ubuntu have been hard at work building a Subuntu live usb.  Simon Peter, also know as probono, has posted information on downloading and building the usb at <a href="http://dev.laptop.org/%7Eprobono/sbuntu/" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/~probono/sbuntu/</a> Thanks to the Ubuntu SugarTeam for packaging Sugar on Ubuntu and to Probono for building the sugar.squashfs. David _______________________________________________ Sugar mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar@lists.laptop.org">Sugar@lists.laptop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar" target="_blank">http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar</a> </blockquote></div> -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove Caroline@SolutionGrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax