<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Michael Stone <<a href="mailto:michael@laptop.org">michael@laptop.org</a>> wrote: <div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Bill, Here's a short dialogue between myself, Ben Schwartz, Martin Dengler, and Bobby Powers on my interpretation of "narrative" as it might apply to a user interface designed for "engaging children in the world of learning":    <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Commentaries/Sugar_2" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Commentaries/Sugar_2</a> === Highlights * By "narrative", I mean "a rational sequence (or graph) of events". * It's rather hard to use XOs to prepare direct lessons. By "direct  lesson", I mean a guided learning experience, usable in variable  network conditions, which minimizes the amount of decision-making and  navigation that the end-user needs to perform in order to experience  'the whole thing' regardless of what software implements each  individual experience contained in the lesson. === Toy Problem Concretely, suppose I invent a new Python trick like the ones at  <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Tricks" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Tricks</a> How might a prepare a slick explanation for an inexperienced user? * I might write up a web page for my trick, then write a Pippy bundle  showing off the trick in a toy program, then give a pointer to a git  repo containing an instance of the trick in 'production'.  Question: How do I write web pages on an XO?  Question: Do I have to be able to read in order to find and run the            Pippy bundle? * I might write up a larger Pippy example for my trick in the literate  style. I might also create a puzzle revolving around integrating the  trick into some sample code. I might include links to 'advanced  reading' or more examples in comments in the source code.  Question: Pippy doesn't know anything about hyperlinks. Will my            readers?  Question: I must either comment out my puzzle so that the example can            run or I must provide it in a separate bundle. How many            users would figure out how to try both the example and the            puzzle? * While not obviously applicable to this specific example, two other  common solutions to this sort of problem include the "scripted  transitions between freeform experiences" idea common to wizards and  role-playing games and the 'build a custom but user-editable program'  idea underlying most EToys lessons. === Larger Concerns Since Sugar is strongly concerned with UI unification, it's worth spending more time thinking about how well each of the solutions to your favorite toy problem integrates with encompassing narratives of reflection, criticism, and human collaboration. (None of the solutions I've proposed above satisfy me in any of these regards.) In any case, I hope this followup helps explain the motivation and 'line-of-thought' behind my initial email. Please discuss.</blockquote><div> </div></div> hi michael, I don't know the answer but think it's a good question, which has now been somewhat clarified "narrative" is a big suitcase word (roger schank comes to mind, his book "tell me a story") - I would think of your idea as something like "sequenced instruction" because you are linking "a rational sequence (or graph) of events" to the preparation of direct lessons or "a guided learning experience" What Bryan says in his article is a pragmatic approach to what many teachers request (more sequence and structure, a structured curriculum). The comments to his article by John Maxwell and Yoshiki point out that the comparison with alan kay's dynabook idea is not very accurate. It's a  big topic - an important topic but I'd say the language being used here is not accurate and might have created some initial confusion. I'm not qualified to talk about the software changes you are suggesting - don't know enough python </div>