Jim, I think this is way too much stuff for Update.1. We are in code freeze. We have items 1 and 2 scheduled to go into RC2; I would suggest that we ONLY pick up Spanish, where we really fell short in the current build; I don't agree with holding up this build for either 4 or 5, as this feels like new, untested code - perhaps there is no 'fix' even available at this time (I'd need to see the arguments that this is blocking AND we have a fix); and I agree that we need to look at 'Blocking' bugs that are still open to see if we agree they are still blocking - or move them out. People can argue otherwise (I'm open to a good discussion), but my recommendation is to get this build out, with all the known issues well documented. Kim <div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 31, 2008 10:11 PM, Jim Gettys <<a href="mailto:jg@laptop.org">jg@laptop.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">For comment and discussion, here are the showstoppers I know of for getting Update.1 finished.  If you think there are others, please speak up now (and modify the subject line to start another thread). Activity developers: note we'll be asking you to upload updated activities to pick up all the recent flurry of translation work very soon.  1 - wireless firmware and driver support                (to fix problems with WEP and WPA)  2 - q2d11 OFW - to fix battery problems  3 - update activities to pick up translation work, Spanish        in particular, but not missing other languages we may need.  4 - UI fix for registration with the school server. <a href="http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6136" target="_blank">http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6136</a>  5 - switch to gabble from salut at school.  6 -testing and fixing anything critical! If we don't want to hold up an RC2 to pick up translation, then we should anticipate an RC4 might be necessary (as we may have issues that come up with updated activities). 4 - we previously (without Dave Woodhouse being available to add to the discussion) thought we could/should punt #6135 and release note. However, talking with him about what we should really fix given his experience in Mongolia, the lack of positive confirmation that the laptop actually was registered is a real issue.  The teachers are not familiar with English (or computers), and the subtlety of a menu entry going away isn't good enough. I think we need to seriously discuss about possibly/probably being update.1 fodder is the "kids arrive at school in the morning" problem. 5 - Use of mesh in large, crowded environments If everyone arrives at school running local link and resumed quickly, the network might melt from mdns mesh traffic's interaction with the mesh's implementation of mutlicast.  We've upped the multicast bitrate for multicast as a band aid, until we can dynamically adjust the bitrate.  But the fundamental issue comes that in large, dense school environments, can't expect multicast to scale far enough, and should be using unicast to a presence server (jabber in our current case) to handle this problem. Dave Woodhouse has suggested may be to try to get a response to the school server's anycast address, and if we get a response from a school server, switch from Salut to Gabble for presence service automatically. This is also somewhat mitigated by having working power management, as machines that have suspended due to idle stop sending mdns packets, and the kids presumably will want internet access and switch over when they arrive.  But I'm not very confident that this will always work in large environment. Another temporary solution would be to have Ohm ask NM to reconnect if the machine is suspended for more than some interval, say, 30 minutes. -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Devel@lists.laptop.org">Devel@lists.laptop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel" target="_blank">http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel</a> </blockquote></div>