I agree. This would provide a good use case for Pippy, something directly useful which would get kids involved. It would be great if some simple programming like::   for x in range(0,5,.1):      y = x ^^ 2      plot(x,y) ... would work without needing 'import plotter', then it would be a graphing calculator too. Of course, as soon as you ran the above plot, you'd need to follow up with::  plotter.auto_rescale() (That is, the invisible "from plotter import *" would include::   Class Plotter       ...       def plot(self,x,y):           self.show()           ...       ...   plotter = Plotter() #Make a default plotter   plot = plotter.plot #Make a shortcut so that a beginner can type plot instead of plotter.plot ) ... As to the volunteer-power, I agree that it needs help, but that's a separate issue. The one place Calculator is clearly better than Pippy is as a nice simple Sugar example app, we can let it be nothing but that (not in the default build, but available and easily installable if anyone wants it). my-two-cents-worth-ly y'rs, Jameson <div>On 9/4/07, Yoshiki Ohshima <<a href="mailto:yoshiki@squeakland.org">yoshiki@squeakland.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">  Hello,   Now, we have Pippy.  Into Pippy, the user can type simple expressions with some mathematical functions there and execute the expression.  This means that there is large overlap between it and Calculate.  Since Calculate is overly under-developed and it has very complicated interface, we can now think that we have an option to remove it from the build without causing too much grief.   Imagine if Pippy has a button called "Print!", which would be located right next to the "Run!"  button.  And, if "Print!" prints out the results of running the program into the bottom pane, that is pretty much all we need.  (For the record, the workspace in Etoys has been there from day one for this purpose.)   Some small input assistance may be a plus but having the software keyboard for numbers is not a good idea anyway.   We have a real problem of shortage of man-power, so replacing smaller activities that take more time to maintain and document with more powerful ones is probably a good thing.   What do you think? -- Yoshiki _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Devel@lists.laptop.org">Devel@lists.laptop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel">http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel </a> </blockquote></div>