[Sugar-devel] Eager to work in fixing the UI of sugarizer.
MR. OPTIMIST
panuj7295 at gmail.com
Sun Mar 19 14:12:18 EDT 2023
Thanks for your feedback sir !
On Sun, 19 Mar, 2023, 23:20 Lionel Laské, <lionel.laske at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> To optimize the process and avoid mail pollution, if you want to suggest
> some improvements, please open an issue here
> <https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/issues/> (one by suggestion) and
> wait for our reply.
>
> However, to complete other answers from the list, I think that before
> doing suggestions you should take in consideration few things about
> Sugar/Sugarizer
> - It's targeted for children between 6 and 12, some of them can't read (so
> we tend to avoid "text") and some of them have never used a computer before
> (so applying what you think as "usual" icon is not necessarily a good idea).
> - It works both on computer and touch devices so concept of tooltip and
> cursor are not always appropriate
> - It was thought for children that could have visual disability so a
> colorful screen is not always the best thing to do
> - We expect that children could focus on activities so we tend to avoid
> multiple windows
>
> It's nice to have suggestions from beginners. By the way I tend to
> privilegiate suggestions coming from the field (children, teachers) from
> suggestions coming from tech guys.
> We're doing software for education, not for tech people.
>
> Regards.
>
> Lionel
>
>
> Le mer. 15 mars 2023 à 15:27, MR. OPTIMIST <panuj7295 at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Hello Lionel sir and sugar community,
>> I have proposed few changes to Sugarizer UI and I guess few
>> changes are worth adopting. I would be thankful if you once check the
>> document, if you find that changes will actually make difference to the UI
>> and user experience then please give your feedback. So that i can
>> contribute to the proposed changes.
>> I have proposed changes and given them numerical identification and also
>> shared the document in editable format so you find any changes can be made
>> please give your feedback.
>>
>> Document link:: Click me to open !!
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 1:22 AM James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. I looked at the document previously and saw some of the
>>> proposed changes are immediately suitable for being proposed in our usual
>>> workflow, but I'm not the person who will be approving the changes, so I
>>> won't be specific about them.
>>>
>>> I am maintainer of the GTK Implode activity, but your changes are for
>>> the Sugarizer version.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:03:05AM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote:
>>> > Hello James Cameron sir,
>>> > Thanks for your feedback. I agree with you that sugar is an
>>> > educational platform and it does not look like flooding things on the
>>> internet
>>> > but user experience plays a vital role in any of the platforms be it
>>> commercial
>>> > or non profitable. Just a simple question: will you use a phone with
>>> no broken
>>> > or no display, Same is user experience. So if we can improve, why
>>> shouldn't we
>>> > improve ?
>>> >
>>> > Also I would be thankful if you kindly let me know which of the
>>> proposed
>>> > changes seems to reasonable So that I can further proceed with further
>>> > contribution.
>>> > Proposed document link:-[1]click me to open
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 1:29 AM James Cameron <[2]quozl at laptop.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Some of the changes proposed seem reasonable, but they aren't in
>>> the right
>>> > form for review; they need to be pull requests against the
>>> appropriate
>>> > repository.
>>> >
>>> > I don't think we're using the older design review committee
>>> process any
>>> > longer, and it should not be revived. The pull request review
>>> process is
>>> > sufficient. In the case of Sugarizer, that's the process that
>>> Lionel has
>>> > preferred.
>>> >
>>> > However, as someone who works in science research, the proposal
>>> does not
>>> > seem to have been researched, but is rather a collection of ideas
>>> that
>>> > would be suitable for changing Sugarizer using A/B testing for the
>>> goal of
>>> > increasing engagement and selling advertising. Neither of these
>>> are
>>> > intended, it's an educational project. Sugar and Sugarizer don't
>>> have to
>>> > look like everything else on the internet, and starting with that
>>> premise
>>> > is an error.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 04:35:27PM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote:
>>> > > Thanks Alex Sir,
>>> > > Your response to email is very much
>>> appreciated.
>>> > Sorry
>>> > > for the late reply.
>>> > >
>>> > > I love to mention that I have used sugarizer for many days and I
>>> also
>>> > know that
>>> > > its UI has been designed with the vision that it's gonna be used
>>> by
>>> > childrens.
>>> > > My point is that sugarizer was developed back in 2013 and the
>>> internet
>>> > > revolution at the time was very less in comparison to 2023. The
>>> UI and Ux
>>> > terms
>>> > > were not that considerable at that time and everyone didn't had
>>> access to
>>> > the
>>> > > mobile phones and internet, But as of now in 2023 the childrens
>>> from 1 or
>>> > even
>>> > > less than that start using technical devices and the UX is what
>>> first
>>> > thing
>>> > > that they interact with like games and other applications.So the
>>> UI of
>>> > > sugarizer is not matching with the need of today's generation
>>> which
>>> > reduces the
>>> > > user interest (research) to use the platform. So my point is we
>>> can work
>>> > to
>>> > > enhance its UI to meet today's need and increase the interaction
>>> time of
>>> > the
>>> > > users of our product.
>>> > >
>>> > > Considering my skills, I'm a second year engineering student and
>>> a self
>>> > > learner, I have done multiple projects on AI based applications
>>> and
>>> > developed 2
>>> > > websites as of now. To authenticate my words hereby i have
>>> listed all my
>>> > > projects in my github account and link of my github account is:-
>>> > > [1] [3]https://www.github/Anujverma89
>>> > >
>>> > > Considering what part of the product and UI can be modified to
>>> give new
>>> > user
>>> > > experience, I have done research and explained it in the given
>>> pdf you
>>> > can view
>>> > > it thoroughly.
>>> > > Here is the link :-
>>> > > [2]Click me to open !!
>>> > >
>>> > > Your suggestions on changeable topics(UI) will be highly
>>> appreciated !!
>>> > > Thank You..
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 12:18 AM Alex Perez <[3][4]
>>> aperez at alexperez.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Anuj,
>>> > >
>>> > > I appreciate your enthusiasm, and welcome. Before any UI
>>> re-design
>>> > would be
>>> > > considered, we would require detailed written analysis of
>>> what the
>>> > goals
>>> > > are for such a re-design, what's "wrong" with the current
>>> design, and
>>> > what
>>> > > your qualifications are for making what are largely
>>> subjective
>>> > changes.
>>> > > While everyone has opinions on UI design, engineers are often
>>> > infamous for
>>> > > designing awful user interfaces. Please share with us what
>>> sorts
>>> > > qualifications you possess that would qualify you to make UI
>>> design
>>> > changes
>>> > > to Sugar/Sugarizer.
>>> > >
>>> > > Have you ever used Sugar for more than a few hours, or a
>>> day? If so,
>>> > which
>>> > > elements do you feel should be changed? If you have not used
>>> Sugar
>>> > > extensively, I would argue that you likely lack sufficient
>>> experience
>>> > to
>>> > > propose such changes.
>>> > >
>>> > > The Sugar/Sugarizer UI was primarily designed for children
>>> of a
>>> > specific
>>> > > age range. Almost all design decisions stem from that basic
>>> premise.
>>> > Have
>>> > > you considered this?
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > > Alex Perez
>>> > >
>>> > > MR. OPTIMIST wrote on 3/10/23 10:24 AM:
>>> > >
>>> > > Hello everyone !
>>> > > I am Anuj Verma from Maharashtra, India
>>> majoring
>>> > in
>>> > > computer science and engineering. I have worked in
>>> > multiple projects
>>> > > and web applications including AI projects.
>>> > > I have checked the sugarizer, it's pretty good but I
>>> believe it's
>>> > UI
>>> > > can be improved. Like we
>>> > > can add links to words as well as icons, we can improve
>>> icons as
>>> > well
>>> > > which is less user friendly(in my opinion).I have
>>> experience of
>>> > working
>>> > > with many projects but have not worked on open
>>> source yet. I'm
>>> > > writing to seek further comments and be open to
>>> constructive
>>> > feedback
>>> > > and criticism. Your response to this mail will be highly
>>> > appreciated.
>>> > >
>>> > > References:
>>> > >
>>> > > [1] [5]https://www.github/Anujverma89
>>> > > [2] [6]https://docs.google.com/document/d/
>>> > 1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>> > > [3] mailto:[7]aperez at alexperez.com
>>> >
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>>> > References:
>>> >
>>> > [1]
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>> > [2] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>>> > [3] https://www.github/Anujverma89
>>> > [4] mailto:aperez at alexperez.com
>>> > [5] https://www.github/Anujverma89
>>> > [6]
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>> > [7] mailto:aperez at alexperez.com
>>> > [8] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
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>>> > [10] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
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