[Sugar-devel] Eager to work in fixing the UI of sugarizer.
Lionel Laské
lionel.laske at gmail.com
Sun Mar 19 13:50:19 EDT 2023
Hi,
Thanks for your suggestions.
To optimize the process and avoid mail pollution, if you want to suggest
some improvements, please open an issue here
<https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/issues/> (one by suggestion) and wait
for our reply.
However, to complete other answers from the list, I think that before doing
suggestions you should take in consideration few things about
Sugar/Sugarizer
- It's targeted for children between 6 and 12, some of them can't read (so
we tend to avoid "text") and some of them have never used a computer before
(so applying what you think as "usual" icon is not necessarily a good idea).
- It works both on computer and touch devices so concept of tooltip and
cursor are not always appropriate
- It was thought for children that could have visual disability so a
colorful screen is not always the best thing to do
- We expect that children could focus on activities so we tend to avoid
multiple windows
It's nice to have suggestions from beginners. By the way I tend to
privilegiate suggestions coming from the field (children, teachers) from
suggestions coming from tech guys.
We're doing software for education, not for tech people.
Regards.
Lionel
Le mer. 15 mars 2023 à 15:27, MR. OPTIMIST <panuj7295 at gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hello Lionel sir and sugar community,
> I have proposed few changes to Sugarizer UI and I guess few
> changes are worth adopting. I would be thankful if you once check the
> document, if you find that changes will actually make difference to the UI
> and user experience then please give your feedback. So that i can
> contribute to the proposed changes.
> I have proposed changes and given them numerical identification and also
> shared the document in editable format so you find any changes can be made
> please give your feedback.
>
> Document link:: Click me to open !!
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing>
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 1:22 AM James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I looked at the document previously and saw some of the proposed
>> changes are immediately suitable for being proposed in our usual workflow,
>> but I'm not the person who will be approving the changes, so I won't be
>> specific about them.
>>
>> I am maintainer of the GTK Implode activity, but your changes are for the
>> Sugarizer version.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:03:05AM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote:
>> > Hello James Cameron sir,
>> > Thanks for your feedback. I agree with you that sugar is an
>> > educational platform and it does not look like flooding things on the
>> internet
>> > but user experience plays a vital role in any of the platforms be it
>> commercial
>> > or non profitable. Just a simple question: will you use a phone with no
>> broken
>> > or no display, Same is user experience. So if we can improve, why
>> shouldn't we
>> > improve ?
>> >
>> > Also I would be thankful if you kindly let me know which of the proposed
>> > changes seems to reasonable So that I can further proceed with further
>> > contribution.
>> > Proposed document link:-[1]click me to open
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 1:29 AM James Cameron <[2]quozl at laptop.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Some of the changes proposed seem reasonable, but they aren't in
>> the right
>> > form for review; they need to be pull requests against the
>> appropriate
>> > repository.
>> >
>> > I don't think we're using the older design review committee process
>> any
>> > longer, and it should not be revived. The pull request review
>> process is
>> > sufficient. In the case of Sugarizer, that's the process that
>> Lionel has
>> > preferred.
>> >
>> > However, as someone who works in science research, the proposal
>> does not
>> > seem to have been researched, but is rather a collection of ideas
>> that
>> > would be suitable for changing Sugarizer using A/B testing for the
>> goal of
>> > increasing engagement and selling advertising. Neither of these are
>> > intended, it's an educational project. Sugar and Sugarizer don't
>> have to
>> > look like everything else on the internet, and starting with that
>> premise
>> > is an error.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 04:35:27PM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote:
>> > > Thanks Alex Sir,
>> > > Your response to email is very much
>> appreciated.
>> > Sorry
>> > > for the late reply.
>> > >
>> > > I love to mention that I have used sugarizer for many days and I
>> also
>> > know that
>> > > its UI has been designed with the vision that it's gonna be used
>> by
>> > childrens.
>> > > My point is that sugarizer was developed back in 2013 and the
>> internet
>> > > revolution at the time was very less in comparison to 2023. The
>> UI and Ux
>> > terms
>> > > were not that considerable at that time and everyone didn't had
>> access to
>> > the
>> > > mobile phones and internet, But as of now in 2023 the childrens
>> from 1 or
>> > even
>> > > less than that start using technical devices and the UX is what
>> first
>> > thing
>> > > that they interact with like games and other applications.So the
>> UI of
>> > > sugarizer is not matching with the need of today's generation
>> which
>> > reduces the
>> > > user interest (research) to use the platform. So my point is we
>> can work
>> > to
>> > > enhance its UI to meet today's need and increase the interaction
>> time of
>> > the
>> > > users of our product.
>> > >
>> > > Considering my skills, I'm a second year engineering student and
>> a self
>> > > learner, I have done multiple projects on AI based applications
>> and
>> > developed 2
>> > > websites as of now. To authenticate my words hereby i have listed
>> all my
>> > > projects in my github account and link of my github account is:-
>> > > [1] [3]https://www.github/Anujverma89
>> > >
>> > > Considering what part of the product and UI can be modified to
>> give new
>> > user
>> > > experience, I have done research and explained it in the given
>> pdf you
>> > can view
>> > > it thoroughly.
>> > > Here is the link :-
>> > > [2]Click me to open !!
>> > >
>> > > Your suggestions on changeable topics(UI) will be highly
>> appreciated !!
>> > > Thank You..
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 12:18 AM Alex Perez <[3][4]
>> aperez at alexperez.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Anuj,
>> > >
>> > > I appreciate your enthusiasm, and welcome. Before any UI
>> re-design
>> > would be
>> > > considered, we would require detailed written analysis of
>> what the
>> > goals
>> > > are for such a re-design, what's "wrong" with the current
>> design, and
>> > what
>> > > your qualifications are for making what are largely subjective
>> > changes.
>> > > While everyone has opinions on UI design, engineers are often
>> > infamous for
>> > > designing awful user interfaces. Please share with us what
>> sorts
>> > > qualifications you possess that would qualify you to make UI
>> design
>> > changes
>> > > to Sugar/Sugarizer.
>> > >
>> > > Have you ever used Sugar for more than a few hours, or a day?
>> If so,
>> > which
>> > > elements do you feel should be changed? If you have not used
>> Sugar
>> > > extensively, I would argue that you likely lack sufficient
>> experience
>> > to
>> > > propose such changes.
>> > >
>> > > The Sugar/Sugarizer UI was primarily designed for children of
>> a
>> > specific
>> > > age range. Almost all design decisions stem from that basic
>> premise.
>> > Have
>> > > you considered this?
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Alex Perez
>> > >
>> > > MR. OPTIMIST wrote on 3/10/23 10:24 AM:
>> > >
>> > > Hello everyone !
>> > > I am Anuj Verma from Maharashtra, India
>> majoring
>> > in
>> > > computer science and engineering. I have worked in
>> > multiple projects
>> > > and web applications including AI projects.
>> > > I have checked the sugarizer, it's pretty good but I
>> believe it's
>> > UI
>> > > can be improved. Like we
>> > > can add links to words as well as icons, we can improve
>> icons as
>> > well
>> > > which is less user friendly(in my opinion).I have
>> experience of
>> > working
>> > > with many projects but have not worked on open
>> source yet. I'm
>> > > writing to seek further comments and be open to
>> constructive
>> > feedback
>> > > and criticism. Your response to this mail will be highly
>> > appreciated.
>> > >
>> > > References:
>> > >
>> > > [1] [5]https://www.github/Anujverma89
>> > > [2] [6]https://docs.google.com/document/d/
>> > 1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing
>> > > [3] mailto:[7]aperez at alexperez.com
>> >
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>> > References:
>> >
>> > [1]
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing
>> > [2] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> > [3] https://www.github/Anujverma89
>> > [4] mailto:aperez at alexperez.com
>> > [5] https://www.github/Anujverma89
>> > [6]
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing
>> > [7] mailto:aperez at alexperez.com
>> > [8] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > [9] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> > [10] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
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